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alecapone
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Stevens pass touring spot for sale.
« on: 01/19/18, 08:04 AM »

The privately held clearcuts that people have been skiing around arrowhead the past few years appear to be for sale....along with most of arrowhead and bows up routes. A little bit of Jim hill exit.


https://www.bluesummithomes.com/wa/leavenworth/undisclosed-us-hwy-2-xxx/1195649

I would like to buy it, but a little short on the 1 million asking price. Could be bad news if it ends up in the wrong hands.

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Re: Stevens pass touring spot for sale.
« Reply #1 on: 01/19/18, 08:21 AM »

Looks like a sweet location for a commercial backcountry lodge, and since it is on private land, no need to work with the forest service to get a permit to build. Although probably would need forest service approval with guests skiing in the nearby national forest. Kinda like this guy did in Colorado. Or a logging company can buy it, mow down all the trees, and ban skiing on the private property.
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« Reply #2 on: 01/19/18, 08:34 AM »

Well it's been an active logging op for the last few years. Probably improved any skiing that is there since it's a bit low elevation. Great place for a house if you like living in a clear cut and not getting any sun most of the year.
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Re: Stevens pass touring spot for sale.
« Reply #3 on: 01/19/18, 09:56 AM »

The property line boundary on the for sale website show the property goes all the way to the slide path coming from the summit of Jim Hill Mountain (and also near the summit of Arrowhead). Could build your dream chalet at the upper property boundary and have easy access to the upper bowl. The current owner is nice enough to let skiers ski down/up that drainage from Jim Hill (or at least I assume so, because everyone does this). Who is the say the new owner will be so generous. There are lots of private logging lands in Washington where the owner prohibits public access due to liability concerns or just because it's their property and they can do what they want. Maybe Cascade Backcountry Alliance can work with whoever buys the property to continue to allow skiers to pass through this private property. Or maybe the Nature Conservancy or some other non-profit private land conservation group would consider buying this property. That is only way to ensure it remains open to the public for future generations.
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Re: Stevens pass touring spot for sale.
« Reply #4 on: 01/19/18, 11:43 AM »

Looks like a sweet location for a commercial backcountry lodge, and since it is on private land, no need to work with the forest service to get a permit to build. Although probably would need forest service approval with guests skiing in the nearby national forest. Kinda like this guy did in Colorado. Or a logging company can buy it, mow down all the trees, and ban skiing on the private property.

A lodge would be amazing! And improved parking. We can dream...
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« Reply #5 on: 01/19/18, 12:41 PM »

There are probably a few of us with a some bucks laying around...  and this market isn't going to go keep going  up for ever. Someone draw up a land deal and we can by shares and start building that hut!
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« Reply #6 on: 01/19/18, 04:05 PM »

I'm in!

I actually found that while looking for a small cheap piece of property just for some overnight parking options at the pass.

Only 1/10 of what I was looking to spend. Can I get 9  others?

I envisioned free parking, with pay as you go upgrades. Electricity. Indoor laundry and gear dry station
Communal hangout yurts.showers... all coin up. Or bit coin.

Or something. Not going to make money collecting 1/4's, but a non profit would be cool.
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« Reply #7 on: 01/19/18, 04:18 PM »

Sounds great, sign a legal waiver so you can't sue the owners and a small membership fee gets a parking pass

Maybe a Sauna
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« Reply #8 on: 01/19/18, 08:59 PM »

Put me down as a share holder. Maybe start a pyramid scheme? First and original investors get A lot free parking , and early a.m. bumps? We should defiantly get the apres bar initiated and rolling asap. 👍 Ohh, and camping is allowed
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« Reply #9 on: 01/19/18, 09:54 PM »

I love the idea of a partnership. How much is it, Scott? a cool mil? What if there were 50 of us TAYer's? $20k each? Tall order. Would you pay $20k to have all-time access to a yurt and parking? I think I might. Who is a lawyer here? Let's put an offer together! You could leave your stuff in the yurt. That would be awesome!
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« Reply #10 on: 01/20/18, 03:22 PM »

There is a lawyer in this thread but I will let that person reveal him/herself  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: 01/20/18, 09:37 PM »

Scott, put me down as a foundational member of the pyramid scheme, I'm in.
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Re: Stevens pass touring spot for sale.
« Reply #12 on: 01/21/18, 07:43 AM »

Getting down into the $160k range but that's still pretty steep for me with closing costs and all that. Any one else interested? It's getting close...
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« Reply #13 on: 01/22/18, 09:47 AM »

Yes and a helicopter-ski operation is a must have. They could operate out of the private land and we could all support a permit for the national forest there. I'm in.

And maybe we could support helicopter ski operations all over the state and all the local back country skiers will be happy.

Sorry couldn't resist. Smiley

Ha.. thanks. I really did get a chuckle. I only posted that to see how many comments until a helicopter got mentioned. Wink

This all is honestly beyond my ability to make anything real happen. Any one feel free to run with the idea. Execution trumps dreaming. I'm sure some one with a law or real estate.background would be a better spearhead. I did jokingly fish it around, so the right plan might have some interest...

You might want to add in the cost of earth moving equipment and fuel for the parking lot alone... Wink

Really, I'd like it to stay public, with a nice snow park...

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« Reply #14 on: 01/22/18, 12:07 PM »

Ah man, that puts it over 200k a skier again! Unless more step up I will probably fold next. Fun day dream tho.
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« Reply #15 on: 01/22/18, 01:52 PM »

I'm kind of surprised that this isn't a super popular idea with pages and pages of "count me in". It would probably take someone with passion to move it forward and make it easy for us lazies to jump on board.
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« Reply #16 on: 01/22/18, 06:46 PM »

I'm kind of surprised that this isn't a super popular idea with pages and pages of "count me in". It would probably take someone with passion to move it forward and make it easy for us lazies to jump on board.

We talked about it at home last night -- As a backcountry-touring/snowplay venue the plowing and liability insurance costs are likely to make it challenging as a commercial enterprise.

If CBA wanted to go big, though, this is the sort of thing that could open up a whole new touring venue. Might even get Stevens to chip in just to reduce their parking load.
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Re: Stevens pass touring spot for sale.
« Reply #17 on: 01/22/18, 09:22 PM »

Doing a Chelan County parcel search for Geo ID 261509000000 shows that the current owner of the land is Weyerhaeuser. The appraised value for tax purposes is $21,498. In 1990 the timber value was assessed and came back with a number 12,738 (seems too low for value in dollars so maybe that's trees on the property?). The roads are already in place, although it appears the very start of the road off of Highway 2 passes through BNSF land, and then very briefly passes through US National Forest Land, so you would want to make sure there is an easement that would continue to allow access. There is a nice spot at the very southern edge (top) of the property boundary on the way to Arrowhead that is relatively flat and near a water source (although I doubt there are any surface water rights with the property, but may qualify for a permit-exempt domestic well use; may not work for commercial hut). Looks like a good spot for a yurt (or McMansion) whoever gets to it first.


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Re: Stevens pass touring spot for sale.
« Reply #18 on: 01/23/18, 10:28 AM »

Doing a Chelan County parcel search for Geo ID 261509000000 shows that the current owner of the land is Weyerhaeuser. The appraised value for tax purposes is $21,498. In 1990 the timber value was assessed and came back with a number 12,738 (seems too low for value in dollars so maybe that's trees on the property?). The roads are already in place, although it appears the very start of the road off of Highway 2 passes through BNSF land, and then very briefly passes through US National Forest Land, so you would want to make sure there is an easement that would continue to allow access. There is a nice spot at the very southern edge (top) of the property boundary on the way to Arrowhead that is relatively flat and near a water source (although I doubt there are any surface water rights with the property, but may qualify for a permit-exempt domestic well use; may not work for commercial hut). Looks like a good spot for a yurt (or McMansion) whoever gets to it first.

If this idea gains traction and is pursued, I will gladly volunteer to help with any water right assements, hydrologic/hydrogeologic evlauation or well permitting issues.
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« Reply #19 on: 01/23/18, 11:33 AM »

I like the spot with the x. As someone else said, not much sunlight for homesteading but if you are a powder farmer it should be just right.
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« Reply #20 on: 01/23/18, 07:57 PM »

Don't we have any TAY Microsoft, Amazon, Google, etc., millionaires willing to throw in for this admirable goal?  I'm thinking they're lurking out there.
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« Reply #21 on: 01/23/18, 08:50 PM »

Here's an interactive map of the property from the realtor: https://mapright.com/ranching/maps/0400217bba66fe1b5f4c0f01f3263ee3/share
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« Reply #22 on: 01/24/18, 08:38 AM »

If this progresses I would be interested in learning more and potentially going out with the group and seeing the property.

For those that know the site, do you think there is potential for putting in mountain bike trails?
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« Reply #23 on: 01/24/18, 11:00 AM »

I love this. Unfortunately, I live in Seattle. Ergo, I'm house-rich, cash-poor.

If this comes through, I would be more than willing to help out with any geotechnical aspects. Hell, I could even coordinate the hiring of a well driller and oversee the drilling.

A man can dream...
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« Reply #24 on: 01/24/18, 02:01 PM »

I love this. Unfortunately, I live in Seattle. Ergo, I'm house-rich, cash-poor.

If this comes through, I would be more than willing to help out with any geotechnical aspects. Hell, I could even coordinate the hiring of a well driller and oversee the drilling.

A man can dream...

I can certainly think of worse locations to log a hole.
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