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May 3, 2006, Lake Dorothy to Big Snow Mountain

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Posted by Charles on 5/4/06 6:40am
I was concerned that we had waited until too late for this trip, but as it turned out I think we got about the most perfect conditions imaginable. It was easy to imagine how less than optimal conditions could cause significant problems in a variety of different ways: discontinuous snow in the forest, lack of stream crossings, snow too slow for this length of trip, breakable crust, avi problems up high, and, most of all, inability to ski across Lake Dorothy. None of these actually came true.

David and I were able to drive to the Lake Dorothy trailhead (2200 feet), where there was one patch of snow in some shade - just enough to ensure that the beer would still be cold after the day's melting. Sunny with not a cloud in the sky, but very chilly in the valley bottom. The trail was mostly snow-free until after the bridge over Camp Robber Creek, then the patches got larger as we followed the trail to the outlet of Lake Dorothy, 3060 feet (note that the trail does not go where shown on USGS topo maps, but Green Trails has it right). Along the east shore of the lake there did not look to be enough snow to ski the route of the trail, but Lake Dorothy was still almost completely snow covered with just some fringes of open water. In addition, the recent low freezing levels and pooling of cold air over the lake had frozen the surface solidly. We put on the fishscale skis and started the 1.5 mile ski to the south end of the lake, with perfect conditions. The fishscales could get a little grip and poling provided the rest of the force needed to fly across the lake. We saved a lot of time and energy this way compared to having to take the lakeshore. Here's a

Open leads at the south end of the lake required us to leave the lake, and after a short bit of skiing we decided to hike instead due to the manuvering required with melted out areas and humped snow. In addition the snow was frozen solidly, making hiking easier compared to fishscaling. On the lake we had seen a set of ski tracks, and these seemed to continue up the drainage toward Gold Lake, our next destination. We wondered if these tracks were going our way, and if they could be trusted, so we adopted the Reaganesque approach of "trust, but verify" We used map and altimeter, but no GPS. It turned out both that the tracks were going our way and that they could be trusted - if the skier who left these is lurking out there, nice job (and reply here to receive your just reward)! We guessed the tracks might have been from Sunday - it looked like some breakable crust conditions higher - but it would be interesting to learn the truth.

The stretch from Lake Dorothy to Gold Lake was incredibly beautiful forest and glades, and were we pleased to note that it looked like we should be able to ski all the way back. This section had alternating small steeper climbs and level meadowed areas. The snow was so firm that we hiked to 3900 feet, where we climbed a little knoll to get some view, and then started skiing. The sun had softened most of the snow just enough that the fishscales could grip now, although in tree shade the snow remained frozen. We did depart from the route of the ski tracks between 4000 and 4300 feet, crossing to climbers left of the creek to ascend in more open and sunny snow, but then crossed back to the right and put on skins where the slope steepened for the final climb to Gold Lake. This slope was much easier going than I had imagined from looking at the map, with deep smooth snow and no cliff bands. The scenery at Gold Lake was spectacular! Clumps of old trees scattered around endless layers of snow humps, beautiful ridge lines above, some still with large cornices hanging on, all in bright sun under a very blue sky. Here's a photo looking SW from not far above Gold Lake:


The most direct way upward on the map (to the SW) turned out to be good, and we found the old ski tracks here and there along the way. North-facing snow on the steeper rolls remained pretty well frozen, but it often had a thin coating of new snow (sometimes still powdery) which the skins could grip. We took the path of least steepness, which involved a ramp just above Pt. 5608, and before long more and more peaks were visible. When we reached the ridge of Big Snow Mountain near 6300 feet we met two skiers who had come up from the south side (via Hardscrabble Lakes) and were just preparing to start down via the eastern descent (to upper Hardscrabble Lake). The direct descent to lower Hardscrabble Lake had quite a bit of debris on the upper slope, and we couldn't see the snow past the roll over to the steeper part below. We skied along the ridge toward the summit, being careful not to step onto the north side with its hard and smooth snow, and left the skis at about 6500 feet to boot the final 150 feet up the firm snow to the summit. Here's a photo of David skiing along the summit ridge:


It was difficult to know what to look at, with so many choices: Baker, Glacier, and Rainier, all of the major Alpine Lakes peaks from Hinman/Daniel to Summit Chief/Overcoat/Chimney/Lemah/Chikamin to the Alpental Peaks. This was a different perspective than I had had and it was fun to try to identify all of the lesser peaks as we sat on top snacking and enjoying our first chance to sit down in the six hours it had taken us to get to the summit. The air temperature was chilly with some easterly breeze, but pleasant enough with a shell on.

After a good rest and lots of photos we booted back down to the skis and got ready to ski, adding the supercharging cables to our three-pin bindings to supplement our joke tele boots (it turns out that David and I have the same size feet, so he was using my second pair of new boots). The ski down to Gold Lake was very nice. Near the top we had to watch out for slightly too firm snow on northerly rolls, but soon we were into perfect corn. Or rather, better than perfect, because most areas had firn spiegel, which seems to make the snow fast and not grabby while at the same time allowing for good edging due to the still soft snow just underneath. Along the way we climbed up a bump to ski some SW facing snow, which was perfectly softened corn.

The skiing from Gold Lake back to Lake Dorothy was very enjoyable, with even the snow under trees softened and turnable. We pretty much followed our ascent route, with a little extra time on skier's right of the creek near 4200 feet to get a better line. Below 3400 feet we had to watch out for softened snow over voids (which led to one spectacular wipeout on my part) and a few areas of forest debris-covered snow (rapid deceleration). We took a snack break near the south end of Lake Dorothy where we had a short carry back to the point where we could get onto the lake snow, then started skiing north across the lake, where things soon started to get, well, exciting. At first the skiing across the lake seemed just like it had been in the morning, despite all of the day's sun. After maybe a quarter of a mile, however, I noticed that firm pole plants would break through the surface crust on which we were gliding and plunge in to water-saturated slush. After gliding across an area where the slightest pole plant would break through, and where I could feel the tails of my skis sinking through the crust as I glided, I started to get a bit freaked out wondering (and imagining) exactly what the structure of this snow cover was. I easily imagined a quarter inch of crust, a layer of slush, and 200 feet of ice cold water. So we did what all good skiers do, we did a stability test, pole plunge style. This revealed that under the crust and about a foot of water-snow mixture there seemed to be a solid layer of ice. We repeated the test in a number of places always with the same results, but I still got an uneasy feeling whenever I glided through an area with very weak crust. This experience made me realize that it would probably be wise to to some research on how frozen lakes melt before doing this kind of thing again, so if anyone has any knowledge on this subject, please post. Our best guess was that there was still probably a thick layer of ice on the lake, but that the warm days had been melting the surface snow, the melt water being trapped on top of the ice layer. Still, if the surface crust had become weaker during the day, our choices would have been to try to "ski" across the lake through a foot of slushy, or hike the lakeshore trail. Either way would have required a lot more time and energy. With the continued warm days it could be that the window for skiing across Lake Dorothy has come to an end.

After all of the excitement on the lake, the rest of the trip was pretty straightforward. We were able to ski a little way past the north end of Lake Dorothy, to maybe 2800 feet, then it was just hiking with visions of Guinness dancing in our heads. Got to the car at 8pm. TOPO says about 15 miles and 4400 feet, though I think the vertical was a bit more with extra ups and downs both directions. Here's a link for a
Charles,  Another great spot in The Alpine Lakes Wilderness!  Any chance you saw my board and dog tracks going down the south side from the day before?  We came up and down Dingford trail and up the NW couloir that tops out at a 6400' notch and then up to the top.  It's a route I've never seen described and like you found, requires the right conditions.  It seems the shortest, least painful, and greatest amount of riding to hiking of all the routes I've seen.  The 2800' ride from summit to the basin below the couloir was exilirating; doing it in powder would be amazing.  Glad you got The Big Snow!
Boot

I thought Big Snow was a seldom-climbed objective, but that doesn't seem to be the case this week.  I was one of the skiers you met near the summit, Charles - it was nice to meet you, I'm a big fan of your site.  I did see a pair of snowshoe tracks heading W off the summit, we followed a couple pairs of skin tracks up the Hardscrabble route, and we saw posthole tracks in the Hardscrabble basin on our way out.  Lots of action!

I'm curious about your route, Boot.  You ask if Charles saw your tracks off the S side, but talk about a NW couloir.  Did you go up the S facing slope above the Hester lake basin, or up the NW side from the Myrtle lake area?  I was curious about these routes, but chose Hardscrabble because I was worried there would be dense trees covering much of these other routes.  Sounds like I was wrong. 

I think I'll start a new thread to post about our experiences to avoid exceeding the 3 picture/thread limit...

Peter, those were my shoe tracks coming up from the notch, maybe more from the SW than south.  Didn't come from either lake route.  If you look at the bottom of the map on Charles' post and follow down and left off the summit to the notch at 6400', then follow the couloir in a NWerly direction down to the blue creek line at 4600', and finally follow that down to its intersection with Dingford creek, you have my approximate route.  Sorry for the digression.
Boot

Nice job! I wish I coulda gotten off work and made this outing. As I read about the trip up, I was wondering about that trip back across the lake later in the day - sounds like you'll remember that stretch for a while.

Hey Boot - sounds like a great trip. The couloir looks interesting and the approach does look pretty direct with the aid of the trail.

Where did the continuous snow start and how long was the approach? I'm trying to figure out if this would make a good, fairly quick day trip.

Thanks for the info.

Jim

Jim, It was 6hrs up and 3 down with continuous snow at about 2500'.  PM me if you want helpful details.
Boot

Looks like the timing was good. Would have been fun to go, but one sick day a week is about all I can swing. Maybe on another outing.

Jim O. and Jon, sorry we didn't make it work out for all of us to do this trip, but like I said, I was concerned that it was getting to be too late for this to be optimal (and anyway, it sounds like you had a good trip too, Jon). PeterC, nice to meet you and your buddy and glad you had a good trip. Definitely surprising to see evidence of so much activity up there!

Boot, I do remember seeing what looked like a board track, as well as dog prints and probably snowshoe tracks. Nice looking route up from Dingford Creek, thanks for sharing the info. Did you boot right up the couloir, and did you stay in it all the way down (at least to the flats ~4200')? I've looked at a Dingford Creek approach on the map lots of times but thought that those NW slopes probably had cliff problems. The couloir looks like it does have some pretty steep sections. Any photos?

As for the shortest way to the top, wouldn't that have to be the Hardscrabble route? Our route was probably longer than yours but it also took us 6 hours. Don't know how long it took Peter but I would guess that if he had been up the Hardscrabble route before it would have been less.

Yeah, we were about 6hrs up and 3 down.  Taking the logging road trail up would probably shave 45min off the ascent.  I'd say Dingford Creek might be faster if you include the extra time we spent driving up the Middle Fork, though.

Charles,  I booted/shoed up the climbers left of the couloir, not wanting to risk anything coming down on us with no escape.  Came down skiers right, past the first narrowing, to catch the softer more sun exposed snow there and get past some ice-ball debrise, then in the couloir the rest of the way down to about 3900'.  There are actually several nice lines available, however the weather was not quite as good Tues as you had Wed, mainly because there was a persistant cloud shading the summit, so icyer conditions at the top of the couloir.  Love to show a couple pics, but can't seem to load them; will work on it!  I probably could have been up in about 5hrs, but for little sleep the night before and choosing the wrong snowshoes for the icy conditions.  I agree that hardscrabble is probably more direct than my route, but like Peter mentioned, I was factoring in the long, difficult additional miles of road driving from Dingford to Hardscrabble.  I have only driven it a short ways before, but didn't enjoy the part I saw.  By the way Peter, does the brush and trees on the road past Dingford encroach and scrape on the vehicle?  If so, nice idea to rent!  (My pics are too large and I don't know how to shrink them; see what I can do.)

Boot


Yeah, there was some minor brush scrapage which could have been avoided by driving through some sideways-tilting rocky sections.  The main issue was rocky terrain though.

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