telemark skiingbackcountry skiingPacific NorthwestWashington and Oregonweather linksThe Yuki AwardsMt. Rainier and Mt. Adams
Turns All Year
www.turns-all-year.com
  Help | Search | Login | Register
Turns All Year Trip Reports
Backcountry Skiing and Snowboarding

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
07/26/17, 03:44 PM

Support Snohomish County's
Helicopter Rescue Team
 
Trip Reports Sponsor
American Alpine Institute
American Alpine Institute
Turns All Year Trip Reports
(1) Viewing these pages constitutes your acceptance of the Terms of Use.
(2) Disclaimer: the accuracy of information here is unknown, use at your own risk.
(3) Trip Report monthly boards: only actual trip report starts a new thread.
(4) Keep it civil and constructive - that is the norm here.
 
FOAC Snow
Info Exchange


NWAC Avalanche
Forecast
+  Turns All Year Trip Reports
|-+  Hot Air
| |-+  Random Tracks: posts that don't fit elsewhere
| | |-+  MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
:
« previous next »
Pages: [1] | Go Down Print
Author Topic: MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?  (Read 4333 times)
gscruggs
5Member
Offline

Posts: 48


MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
« on: 06/07/17, 01:03 PM »

MRNP is currently collecting public comment on the installation of cell phone equipment at Paradise that would presumably significantly enhance cell coverage.

I'd like to write about this for Backcountry Magazine but first they want to know it's newsworthy for the backcountry ski community.

So, as a backcountry skier, are you in favor, opposed, or neutral? How would enhanced cell phone service affect your backcountry ski plans at MRNP? Are there incidents in the past where cell phone service would have made a difference in your tour (could be as mundane as trying to find out if touring partners are running on time to meet at Paradise, or as serious as S&R)?

Feel free to comment or pm me. I can follow up for proper attribution if the story moves forward.
Logged
pipedream
Member
Offline

Posts: 603


Re: MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
« Reply #1 on: 06/07/17, 02:26 PM »

All seriousness aside, improved cellphone service at Rainier would let me share those sick 'grams in real time instead of having to #latergram them after getting back to "civilization"

Also who doesn't enjoy browsing a good meme dump on the loo? I'd be able to get my daily dose of funnies & reply to work email from Muir. Seems like a bonus to me...
Logged

Moral of story is don't ski when you can snowboard
sgertz
5Member
Offline

Posts: 28


Re: MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
« Reply #2 on: 06/07/17, 03:09 PM »

^^^^^this guy  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I think cell coverage would be hugely beneficial in the Paradise area. As someone who volunteers on the ski patrol based out of Paradise, I feel that a lot of incidents could be made much easier if SAR responders could communicate directly with the injured/lost/etc.

Being able to call up ski partners is also valuable.

The one down side is that it may become annoying, seeing people constantly checking social media instead of enjoying the wonders of the national park. That's not to mention the people blasting music and playing Pokemon Go (or whatever the new thing is these days). Blasting music already happens, but I'm sure we could expect it to happen even more.
Logged
Randy
Member
Offline

Posts: 1263


Re: MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
« Reply #3 on: 06/07/17, 05:40 PM »

... seeing people constantly checking social media instead of enjoying the wonders of the national park.

Verizon customers already have decent signal above Panorama Point -- so the hordes on the Muir snowfield are already engaged in such shenanigans.

Quote
... playing Pokemon Go

The Pokemon folks better be sure that all the Pokestops are all on trails -- fines for Meadow stomping should include both a USD$ penalty and a PokéCoins penalty.

Personally I'm not seeing any downside to a cell tower at Paradise and some definite benefits to safety.    Paradise is hardly the place to experience solitude and wilderness.    Folks looking for such things know to go elsewhere.
Logged
Charlie Hagedorn
Member
Offline

Posts: 1787


WWW
Re: MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
« Reply #4 on: 06/07/17, 05:51 PM »

There are good arguments across the spectrum of available options, from no change to full connectivity.

It is my opinion that adding voice/SMS service, but not data, would substantially improve visitor access to safety services without bringing the internet deeper into the Park.

I can walk and ski as well as I can today precisely because I was able to make a cell-phone call from the juncture of the Wilson and Nisqually Glaciers, a lucky thing. Without the catalyzing phone call, the subsequent work of the Climbing Rangers could not have happened so quickly.
Logged

Andrew Carey
Member
Offline

Posts: 1394


Re: MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
« Reply #5 on: 06/08/17, 06:31 AM »

...
Personally I'm not seeing any downside to a cell tower at Paradise and some definite benefits to safety.    Paradise is hardly the place to experience solitude and wilderness.    Folks looking for such things know to go elsewhere.

So true!  And, as I understand it, it is not even a tower, just equipment in the attic of the visitor center.

If anything, if the people that chatter so loudly to one another or yell to one another when somewhat separated while hiking and skinning had cell service they might even be more quiet.

Logged

... want your own private skintrack? Better move to the yukon dude. (B'ham Allen, 2011).
...USA: government of the people by corporate proxies for business.

Andy Carey, Nisqually Park, 3500 feet below Paradise
Scottk
Member
Offline

Posts: 144


Re: MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
« Reply #6 on: 06/13/17, 05:25 PM »

I'm in favor both for safety and communications with party members that have wandered off for whatever reason.
Logged
Stefan
Member
Offline

Posts: 126


Re: MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
« Reply #7 on: 06/14/17, 10:22 AM »

IMO:  People take more chances with knowing they are within a phone call away from help.  I predict more neophytes will be calling for more help--there will be more rescues of people who put themselves when they should not...for example...going to Muir in 80 degree weather...in Nikes and their Lebron basketball shirt while carrying a Fuji disposable water bottle....and then the weather turns on their way down....and then they become lost...and very cold.  More of these incidents will be called IMO.
« Last Edit: 06/14/17, 10:25 AM by Stefan » Logged
Randy
Member
Offline

Posts: 1263


Re: MRNP Expanded Cell Phone Service - BC Ski Impact?
« Reply #8 on: 06/18/17, 02:52 PM »

IMO:  People take more chances with knowing they are within a phone call away from help.  I predict more neophytes will be calling for more help--there will be more rescues of people who put themselves when they should not...for example...going to Muir in 80 degree weather...in Nikes and their Lebron basketball shirt while carrying a Fuji disposable water bottle....and then the weather turns on their way down....and then they become lost...and very cold.  More of these incidents will be called IMO.

IME the "moron effect" is already fully in force in the Paradise environment.  That's based on several years as a "Nordic Patrol" volunteer.
Logged
Pages: [1] | Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  



Login with username, password and session length

Thank you to our sponsors!
click to visit our sponsor: Feathered Friends
Feathered Friends
click to visit our sponsor: Marmot Mountain Works
Marmot Mountain Works
click to visit our sponsor: Second Ascent
Second Ascent
click to visit our sponsor: American Alpine Institute
American Alpine Institute
click to visit our sponsor: Pro Guiding Service
Pro Guiding Service
Contact turns-all-year.com

Turns All Year Trip Reports ©2001-2010 Turns All Year LLC. All Rights Reserved

The opinions expressed in posts are those of the poster and do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of Trip Reports administrators or Turns All Year LLC


Turns All Year Trip Reports | Powered by SMF 1.0.6.
© 2001-2005, Lewis Media. All Rights Reserved.