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Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guidebook
« on: 02/25/17, 07:50 AM »

Hey --

I'm a journalist writing a piece for Backcountry Magazine about Matt Schoenfeld's new guide to Snoqualmie Pass, just published by Off Piste Ski Atlas: http://offpisteskiatlas.com/product/snoqualmie-pass/

If you would like to weigh in for my article, please get in touch -- PM me or email: gregory DOT scruggs AT gmail. My deadline is Wednesday March 1. I will only consider using a quote from you if you give your full name.

Some questions to consider:

-Are you concerned that a new guidebook will increase skier traffic in Snoqualmie Pass and if so what are your main concerns? (Less untracked pow, limited parking, overuse of wilderness, backcountry safety esp higher avy risk)
-How important were previous guidebooks in your own discovery of the Snoqualmie Pass backcountry?
-If you have seen Schoenfeld's book, do you think he has taken a balanced approach and held back from sharing certain secret stashes?

Thanks in advance. Last year TAYers were an invaluable resource for some reporting I did on Mt Rainier winter access: http://backcountrymagazine.com/stories/the-price-ofparadise/
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guideboo
« Reply #1 on: 02/25/17, 10:10 AM »

I haven't seen the book. Is it another one of those books writen by a guide where they have moved into an area, followed the locals skin tracks and learned the routes and then sell the experience to the highest bidder?

A friend of mine calls the guides that did that  to  our local area 'carpetbaggers'.

If you know the history of that word in relation to the post civil war south, it's fitting.

That whole 'the wilderness is for sale' mentallity defeats the purpose of the value that wilderness holds as a place to re-create the spirit.

Often you will hear folks, who disagree with my anti-carpetbagger position, argue that i just want the powder all too myself.

However, i believe in a system of passing on routes, safety and where the best powder is, through actual human interaction, free of charge. 

I've toured with many people that i didn't know ,including guides and those who later became guides, and taken them to my secret staches and passed on as much information as i could.

We go together as equal partners and not some system where the paid guy is the boss, who makes all the calls and excepts none of the responsibility or is held accountable when something goes wrong.

And we know that many near-miss accidents, where luck played a role in survival, never see the light of day.

And often i'll get insults and even bonified verbal abuse directed towards me because i take action by speaking out and interacting with the forest service and law enforcement concerning the commercial abuse that i have witnessed on public land that holds wilderness value.

That commercial abuse creates conflict in a place the should be free of such human folly. 

I believe in peace and love.

It is  a part of us that we give that is our only freedom. (paraphase jon anderson) 

This i have learned by wandering the wilderness areas that were hard won by past fighters for this ethic. Life.
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guidebook
« Reply #2 on: 02/25/17, 02:02 PM »

Hey --

I'm a journalist writing a piece for Backcountry Magazine about Matt Schoenfeld's new guide to Snoqualmie Pass, just published by Off Piste Ski Atlas: http://offpisteskiatlas.com/product/snoqualmie-pass/

If you would like to weigh in for my article, please get in touch -- PM me or email: gregory DOT scruggs AT gmail. My deadline is Wednesday March 1. I will only consider using a quote from you if you give your full name.

Some questions to consider:

-Are you concerned that a new guidebook will increase skier traffic in Snoqualmie Pass and if so what are your main concerns? (Less untracked pow, limited parking, overuse of wilderness, backcountry safety esp higher avy risk)
-How important were previous guidebooks in your own discovery of the Snoqualmie Pass backcountry?
-If you have seen Schoenfeld's book, do you think he has taken a balanced approach and held back from sharing certain secret stashes?

Thanks in advance. Last year TAYers were an invaluable resource for some reporting I did on Mt Rainier winter access: http://backcountrymagazine.com/stories/the-price-ofparadise/

Matt Schonwald
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guidebook
« Reply #3 on: 02/26/17, 07:06 PM »

Matt Schonwald

Indeed. Tapped out quickly on a smartphone yesterday morning before losing service on the way to Paradise. Will make sure it's correct in the article of course! Apologies to Matt if he's reading.
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guidebook
« Reply #4 on: 02/26/17, 07:13 PM »

Journalists know the name and spelling of their subject.   Get it together!
Backcountry,  I stopped my subscription due to boredom of reading the usual drivel.
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guidebook
« Reply #5 on: 02/27/17, 10:32 AM »

No kidding. How about taking the time to write a proper post, not one done quickly.

Tell the tourons that the Source Lake Dog Park Trail is the shit and to learn how to park.
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guideboo
« Reply #6 on: 02/27/17, 12:01 PM »

Journalists know the name and spelling of their subject.   Get it together!
Backcountry,  I stopped my subscription due to boredom of reading the usual drivel.
i did take the time to read the op's link to his last article. My first impression was like the article was done just to rag on the park service law enforcement.

The proper procedure when a person thinks that they were treated unfairly and issued a ticket is to go to court and tell it to the judge.

That article did generate some thoughtful comments and i tend to agree with those on the side of law enforcement on this issue.

It is interesting however, that  ski tour choices have to be made on the basis of that gate closing.   

Please post a link to your new article op, it will be interesting to see how you tell the tale.
 

If i may ask, when did the book start bc sking in the areas that he discuss in his book and how did he first learn about those ski lines. For example- did he follow skin tracks or where the routes passed down , given freely by others?
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guidebook
« Reply #7 on: 02/27/17, 01:09 PM »

meh...

Covered extensively by Martin in this book over 15 years ago.

https://www.amazon.com/Backcountry-Skiing-Snoqualmie-Falcon-Guides/dp/0762710667

The Pass is (and has been) an obvious and easy target for Puget Sound BC skiers regardless of this or other guide books on the market, there aren't any secrets.

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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guideboo
« Reply #8 on: 02/27/17, 01:32 PM »

meh...

Covered extensively by Martin in this book over 15 years ago.

https://www.amazon.com/Backcountry-Skiing-Snoqualmie-Falcon-Guides/dp/0762710667

The Pass is (and has been) an obvious and easy target for Puget Sound BC skiers regardless of this or other guide books on the market, there aren't any secrets.


anybody know the early ski touring history in that area, before the guide books where written.

People don't always see what a few folks see as obvious. They are however, good at spotting ski tracks.

I've seen a few of our, right off the hwy 20, stashes go untouched for years until one day the heli flys over us and spots our skin track and suddenly the run is ski tour guided.

 Starting sometime in the  90's (with the ground touring guides), the guides where being shown our areas by us (scraps where the heli can't access due to terrain) or following our skin tracks. A friend of mine used to joke 'we guide the guides'.
 
of course there were bc skiers here in the north cascades before i started bc skiing in spring of1981 and  some became ski partners.

There was even an early guide book that became the basis for many of the heli ski lines 
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guidebook
« Reply #9 on: 02/27/17, 01:51 PM »

No kidding. How about taking the time to write a proper post, not one done quickly.

Tell the tourons that the Source Lake Dog Park Trail is the shit and to learn how to park.

I'm sure Matt dedicated a whole page to that in his guidebook. Probably even before the boilerplate on avalanche safety.
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guideboo
« Reply #10 on: 02/27/17, 01:53 PM »

i did take the time to read the op's link to his last article. My first impression was like the article was done just to rag on the park service law enforcement.

The proper procedure when a person thinks that they were treated unfairly and issued a ticket is to go to court and tell it to the judge.

That article did generate some thoughtful comments and i tend to agree with those on the side of law enforcement on this issue.

It is interesting however, that  ski tour choices have to be made on the basis of that gate closing.   

Please post a link to your new article op, it will be interesting to see how you tell the tale.
 

If i may ask, when did the book start bc sking in the areas that he discuss in his book and how did he first learn about those ski lines. For example- did he follow skin tracks or where the routes passed down , given freely by others?

Happy to post when it's published. re: MRNP, multiple requests to speak with park law enforcement were not granted, so all I had was he said (the guy who got the ticket) and she said (the deputy superintendent who said she wouldn't comment on a particular incident). I agree it makes MRNP LE come off like the bad guy, though the offender admits he was a jerk, but they chose not to address the incident publicly, so what can you do.

I will note that I reached out to the ticket receiver, so he may also have gone to a judge after the fact but I wasn't his first line of defense or anything.

And I agree about the comments -- was pleasantly surprised with the dialogue it generated.
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Re: Journalist inquiry re: new Snoqualmie guideboo
« Reply #11 on: 02/27/17, 02:08 PM »

anybody know the early ski touring history in that area, before the guide books where written.

People don't always see what a few folks see as obvious. They are however, good at spotting ski tracks.


From casual observation, traffic increase has trended along side gear improvement/availability, no real surprise there. I doubt that a new guide book is going to be a game changer in this zone. If I want to go some place where I am not worried about seeing other tracks, I either get an earlier start or I go further out. Same as it ever was.
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