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Avalanche kills person near Mount Baker ski area
« on: 01/25/16, 09:54 AM »

In the Seattle Times.  Originally published January 24, 2016 at 10:45 pm Updated January 25, 2016 at 6:22 am

Another person was hospitalized after being hurt on Mount Herman in what officials say was a "pretty frantic situation."

By Katherine Long
Seattle Times staff reporter

One person was killed and another was injured in an avalanche Sunday on Mount Herman, near the Mount Baker ski area, avalanche safety officials said.

The body of the victim has not been recovered, said Scott Schell, program director for the Northwest Avalanche Center. He said he did not have any information about the victim’s age or gender.

A second victim was airlifted to a nearby hospital, he said.

Search-and-rescue crews are planning to return to the area Monday to continue the search.

Schell described the site as the north-facing flank of Mount Herman, an area adjacent to the Mount Baker Ski Resort.

It is backcountry, and he said the victims would have likely parked at the ski area and then worked their way uphill to get to the area where the accident occurred, because it was not accessible from a ski lift.

It was not known if they were traveling on skis, snowshoes or snowboards, he said, or if they were carrying transponders — devices that signal a person’s location in the event of an avalanche.

“I think it was a pretty frantic situation,” he said. “There was a 911 call placed by some people in the party.”

Mount Herman is 6,260 feet high, and its base is about 4,000 feet, Schell said. Witnesses told experts that the avalanche came down from above the victims.

Schell said the avalanche danger at this time is considered to be moderate, or a 2, on a scale of 1 to 5. However, the danger is heightened by what experts term a “persistent slab” — a persistently weak layer that can fail at any time. The slab was created by layers of frost that formed on Jan. 3 and Jan. 11, and have since been buried by snowfall. “It adds a whole level of uncertainty,” he said.

He described the terrain on Mount Herman’s north side as “relatively complicated, undulating terrain.”

The avalanche center will send two professional observers up to the site Monday “to try to get some answers as to how big the avalanche was,” Schell said.

It’s the second avalanche death in Washington in the past four weeks, and the seventh avalanche death in the U.S. in the last week alone, according to the Northwest Avalanche Center.

In late December, Washington entrepreneur and outdoorsman Douglas W. Walker was killed in an apparent avalanche while snowshoeing and hiking on Granite Mountain.

The Northwest Avalanche Center is the official forecasting agency for Washington and Northern Oregon, and uses its network to let people know of the avalanche danger and tell when there has been an accident.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/avalanche-kills-person-near-mount-baker-ski-area/
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« Reply #1 on: 01/25/16, 04:05 PM »

As often, the TGR forum has useful detail: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/296957-SNOW-IN-THE-PNW-2015-16-Winter-Strikes-Back?p=4649887#post4649887
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« Reply #2 on: 01/25/16, 07:47 PM »

Deceased victim identified: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article56441645.html

Our thoughts go out to both victims, their partners, friends, family, and the rescuers who helped them.
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« Reply #3 on: 01/25/16, 07:55 PM »

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Schell said the avalanche danger at this time is considered to be moderate, or a 2, on a scale of 1 to 5. However, the danger is heightened by what experts term a “persistent slab” — a persistently weak layer that can fail at any time. The slab was created by layers of frost that formed on Jan. 3 and Jan. 11, and have since been buried by snowfall. “It adds a whole level of uncertainty,” he said.

Please explain to me why a "persistent slab" or a high likelihood of that being within the forecast area not part of the daily forecast...
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« Reply #4 on: 01/25/16, 08:36 PM »

Please explain to me why a "persistent slab" or a high likelihood of that being within the forecast area not part of the daily forecast...
Persistent slab was in the forecast for Sunday- https://www.nwac.us/avalanche-forecast/avalanche-region-forecast/1986/
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« Reply #5 on: 01/25/16, 09:23 PM »

Noted as cautionary attribute but not incorporated in a region-wide forecast rating?
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« Reply #6 on: 01/25/16, 09:31 PM »

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Continued conservative decision-making remains wise travel advice, until the persistent slab problems can be ruled out.
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That's a pretty clear statement.  Currently, the PWL warning is not region wide, because it's not region wide.
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« Reply #7 on: 01/25/16, 09:48 PM »

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Currently, the PWL warning is not region wide, because it's not region wide.

And "Moderate" is a region-wide determination though all hazards are dependent to aspect and can be extremely local? And this is with the information contained withing the cautionary statement?

Help me with the logic here.

 
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« Reply #8 on: 01/25/16, 10:28 PM »

And "Moderate" is a region-wide determination though all hazards are dependent to aspect and can be extremely local? And this is with the information contained withing the cautionary statement?

Help me with the logic here.

 

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on snowpack information being relayed through a news article. NWAC has discussed the persistent week layers extensively in their forecast over the past few weeks.  The forecast discussed that those layers were not present anymore in many areas due to Thursday's rain, but would remain in the discussion since they could still be an issue in some areas.
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« Reply #9 on: 01/25/16, 11:44 PM »

Confusing report.  How could the ski patrol have seen them if they were on the north side of Mt Herman? Where is the Widow Maker run?

Condolences to family and friends.

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« Reply #10 on: 01/25/16, 11:47 PM »

Don't forget the "travel advice" for Moderate hazard rating:
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Heigtened avalanche conditions on specific terrain features. Evaluate snow and terrain carefully; identify features of concern.

Features of concern - i.e. places where the PWL may have not broken down, or perhaps places where water percolation from the recent rain may have hit a sliding surface, or where the new snow warmed in the heat of day, etc., and of course perhaps places where the consequence of a slide might be especially bad particularly given the discussion of a decent amount of unpredictability to the location of higher hazards.

You of course can't just bank on the one-word rating - you have to pay attention to the details too. What you see out there of course, but also what field observers have reported and what else is shared in the forecast discussion, which has been speaking of these dispersed and somewhat hard to predict hazard areas.

The rating does not strike me as way off for what has been getting reported from the field. Some slides have happened. Lots and lots of people have been out w/o incident though.

As to this particular incident, my condolences to the victim's family and friends.
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« Reply #11 on: 01/25/16, 11:48 PM »

Lowell - take a look at the nwhikers thread on this death. Someone, I think pipedream, posted a photo of the slope, which is apparently visible from the upper lot at the ski area if I'm reading him correctly. More like NE or even ENE slope?
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« Reply #12 on: 01/26/16, 01:05 AM »

I shared that photo after hearing multiple comments that the slide occurred on an area known as the "Widowmaker". That zone is visible from the parking lot at HM and is NE-facing. The entire face is a rock slab with minimal vegetation - it's possible this week's rainfall percolated through to the rock beneath and lubricated it to the point where it could act as a bed surface making this a wet slab / climax event. Early details from NWAC indicate this was a natural slide which released from above.
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« Reply #13 on: 01/26/16, 06:28 AM »

And "Moderate" is a region-wide determination though all hazards are dependent to aspect and can be extremely local? And this is with the information contained withing the cautionary statement?

Help me with the logic here.

 

Why do you seem to be upset with the NWAC forecast?  They got the forecast correct based on what I observed.  I don't think I saw any active slide activity that day, just about everything had slid from the rain already... Also I haven't read about anyone else seeing any slide activity other than the accident.
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« Reply #14 on: 01/26/16, 08:04 AM »

We triggered an R1D1 wind slab in the Tatoosh on Sunday that propagated surprisingly far. Reported it to NWAC; you can see it on the Obs page.

Such a bummer....
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« Reply #15 on: 01/26/16, 08:26 AM »

Todd's anger or concern is reasonable just presented somewhat obtusely.  However based on initial reports this particular incident does not seem related to any persistent weak layer.

Much as there are still areas of safe travel during periods of high avalanche danger there are also areas that are simply unsafe regardless of the avalanche hazard.  The lower northeast slopes of Herman are one of those IMO.  In the last 5-10 years it’s become increasingly common to see skin tracks cutting across these slopes in an effort to reach the backbowls of Herman and Slate.  It’s disturbing.

Simple fact is that NWAC reports are not always accurate.  While they tend to capture the big trends correctly there are times when they miss unexpected and/or rapid changes in snowpack or localized variations.  But on a vast, vast majority of “moderate” days the potential for avalanches of consequence is basically zero.  As a result I think a lot of backcountry users will take that as the green light to jump on just about anything without considering an actual assessment of conditions as presented.  One could probably make an argument that NWAC reports are in some ways detrimental to the self-sufficiency and safety of experienced backcountry users and only really pertinent to the casual snowshoer/slackcountryer/general population.
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« Reply #16 on: 01/26/16, 08:37 AM »

I think the daily forecast, discussion and observations make the forecast relevant to everyone if used along with your own observations and judgement.

Like dberdinka says, this is a case of poor route selection. Maybe they triggered a small avalanche on the PWL and that took away the support of the upper slopes causing a far more dangerous climax avalance?
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« Reply #17 on: 01/26/16, 08:41 AM »

Adding to dberdinka's helpful comments, Herman is large and very complex terrain. For example, many people confuse Herman's SE shoulder with Herman proper, when in fact they are separated by significant terrain features.

Herman is also wonderful skiing right next to a parking lot. It has many aspects, points many directions, and has many cliff bands. Hazards (avalanche, long slide) could vary completely on a single day depending on where you are on this mountain, no matter what a region-wide forecast says. I personally saw the relatively moderate E. face of Herman shoulder slab off with a hundreds-of-yards wide 3 foot crown. Two riders were flushed unhurt down nearly to Bagley creek.

I am saddened for all involved in this incident, the first of which in some time in the Baker backcountry, and hope the NWAC accident report has good photos so people can learn from this incident.
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« Reply #18 on: 01/26/16, 09:22 AM »

well put dberdinka

and to add to this:
As a result I think a lot of backcountry users will take that as the green light to jump on just about anything without considering an actual assessment of conditions as presented.  One could probably make an argument that NWAC reports are in some ways detrimental to the self-sufficiency and safety of experienced backcountry users and only really pertinent to the casual snowshoer/slackcountryer/general population.

I find a simple rule for backcountry travel is that:
every individual claim full authority.
NWAC is icing on the cake, not an institution to which you relegate authority. Same goes for skin tracks.

Conditions are never static. Every backcountry traveler has to make decisions in real time, on the fly, in flow, on the go.

Really sorry to hear what happened. Healing vibes to all involved.


a part of widowmaker can be seen here on the left (Justin Wood photo):



* widowmakerSM_HthrMdws.jpg (248.74 KB, 800x600 - viewed 2630 times.)
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« Reply #19 on: 01/26/16, 10:26 AM »

Simple fact is that NWAC reports are not always accurate.  While they tend to capture the big trends correctly there are times when they miss unexpected and/or rapid changes in snowpack or localized variations. 


Keep hammering on this point. NWAC should be viewed as only one (extremely valuable) tool in the toolkit. There is ample evidence of wet slab climaxes from the past several days since the big rain. Look over at Goat and Sefrit etc. All the usual rock slabs are popping. The rock slab on the south face of Herman is another trouble spot, anyone know if it went during this last cycle?
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« Reply #20 on: 01/26/16, 03:02 PM »

While I personally did not know the victims I'm reposting the following from another website......

On behalf of Amanda Peart, a memorial fund has been setup to help support her and her children after the loss of her husband and their father, Mark Panthen. Mark at 36 years old leaves a beautiful, but devastated family. I hope you can find it within your hearts to share the link to Mark Panthen Memorial Fund to help Amanda and her children:

The Mark Panthen Memorial Fund 

We have a great Northwest community. Now is the time to come together to support this family in our community.

Thank you

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« Reply #21 on: 01/26/16, 08:12 PM »

My heartfelt condolences to Amanda, her children, and all those who knew Mark. What a horrible loss.

In the vein of learning, where exactly in the photo is windowmaker and does anyone know or have theories about why the skiers were where they were? I've gotten the impression that they were traversing when the first skier got inured (by avalanche?). Then 2 more avalanches, both from above, occured. Does one usually  traverse beneath widowmaker to reach or return from common lines? Were they skiing a line? I don't know Baker all that well.
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« Reply #22 on: 01/26/16, 09:31 PM »

It's worth looking at the TGR thread linked above - it has comments from people who were in the area and saw what happened, which helps make sense of it. This is a copy-and-paste.

"It appears that one of them was injured while skiing on the backside of what most people call Mt. Herman. Technically the true Mt. Hermon is behind to the west. They had called 911 for help with the injury so several people were watching them work their way down. They were coming from the backside of Herman and cutting under what is known as the Widowmaker, just on the apron of it. A slide from above hit them and now both were injured. A second and third slide came down from above them and really messed them up. It is amazing that they were not both fully buried or killed from trauma. These were very large wet slides going on the ground. Widowmaker is very steep and the ground is solid rock slab with no vegatation. We just had a ton of rain a 2 days before this so the water could not drain due to the solid rock. The stability really wasn't that bad anywhere else. I bet these were the only slides in the Mt Baker region yesterday. Strange set of circumstances really. A situation went from bad to worse. They longlined one guy out and left the other due to him being mostly buried, having severe head trauma and it being too unsafe to dig him out."

Such a tragic situation, my heart goes out to his family and friends and most especially his poor wife and kids.
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« Reply #23 on: 01/26/16, 10:00 PM »

I'm waiting to see the official, properly informed, analysis, but curiosity's hard to quash entirely.

I've barely skied the Baker BC, just ~six trips or so, but from photos people have posted, it sounds like the slide path is where I've labelled "Spot 2" on this map. I've refrained from using the path name because it seems too apropos at present.

http://caltopo.com/m/5M86

The edit password is "TAY"; do feel free to improve the map however you wish. To edit, click on the "Read-only" link, and it'll let you enter a password.
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« Reply #24 on: 01/26/16, 10:03 PM »

NWAC made a preliminary report in tonight's (for 1/27) avalanche forecast:

Quote from: Update to NWAC preliminary avalanche incident report for Mt. Herman – 1/24/2016

Two experienced skiers were hit by natural avalanches on the north side of Mt. Herman in the early afternoon on Sunday, January 24th 2016. One skier sustained a non-avalanche related injury. A call was placed to 911, initiating rescue. Both skiers continued descending the north side of Mt. Herman. A small, likely loose snow avalanche originating from steeper terrain above, caught and carried both skiers—no burials. The party then continued down-slope under their own power. A short time later, the party was struck by a secondary avalanche originating from a steep, isolated terrain feature above the party. After initial observations, the secondary slide appears to be a glide avalanche and not triggered by the party. The persistent slab problem is no longer suspected as a cause of this incident. Both skiers were caught, carried, and partially buried—one was injured and air lifted Sunday. The second skier sustained fatal traumatic injuries. His body was recovered on Monday, January 25th 2016. NWAC will be releasing the full incident report as soon as it is available.
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« Reply #25 on: 01/27/16, 05:17 AM »

fund

How horrific for all involved. Very sad.

Ryan. My theory, based on limited knowledge.

There is a moderate way down, behind widowmaker,(in the foreground), and stone man in the back from a peaklet just south of Herman propper. It drops to Bagley creek, but involves a couple skier right traverses. Perhaps this was their route. Not sure how exposed, or not, you can keep yourself.? 

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« Reply #26 on: 01/27/16, 09:44 AM »

Out of respect to the victims, NWAC is not responsible for individual choices just providing a general forecast(Valley scale not slope scale). It is important to focus on the decision making that led them there so we can better understand how this happened.

Condolences to the family.
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« Reply #27 on: 01/27/16, 10:53 AM »

Quote from NWAC:

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Two experienced skiers were hit by natural avalanches on the north side of Mt. Herman in the early afternoon on Sunday, January 24th 2016. One skier sustained a non-avalanche related injury. A call was placed to 911, initiating rescue. Both skiers continued descending the north side of Mt. Herman. A small, likely loose snow avalanche originating from steeper terrain above, caught and carried both skiers—no burials. The party then continued down-slope under their own power. A short time later, the party was struck by a secondary avalanche originating from a steep, isolated terrain feature above the party. After initial observations, the secondary slide appears to be a glide avalanche and not triggered by the party. The persistent slab problem is no longer suspected as a cause of this incident. Both skiers were caught, carried, and partially buried—one was injured and air lifted Sunday. The second skier sustained fatal traumatic injuries. His body was recovered on Monday, January 25th 2016. NWAC will be releasing the full incident report as soon as it is available.

The thing that hits me about this accident is that it was precipitated by a non-avalanche related injury. The party placed a call to 911 due to that injury and they were making their way as best they could back to safety. The avalanche occurred during that effort.

When you're hurting and already in an emergency, it's easy to imagine just trying to get home as quickly as you can. Taking the shortest and most direct route maybe. But that might not be the safest way to go. That seems to have been the case here.

In aviation, they talk about breaking the chain of events that leads to an accident. We haven't talked about that much in the context of avalanche safety, but this tragedy has me thinking maybe we should. A guick google search turns up lots of references related to the accident chain of events:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_events_%28aeronautics%29
http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/inst_reports2.cfm?article=4401
http://www1.northbrook28.net/~wconcklin/6th_eBook/Safety_%28In_Person_and_On-line%29_files/Accident%20Chain.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/Serious-Accidents-FactorsBreaking-Leading-Accident/dp/1563477459
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« Reply #28 on: 01/27/16, 10:59 AM »

From the limited description of the injury available, a hasty retreat may have been the right, even if apparently risky, move. We'll have to wait for a comprehensive report, if one emerges.

Hope everyone involved is healing; internet analysis will wait.
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« Reply #29 on: 01/27/16, 11:07 AM »

To be clear, I'm not casting any sort of judgement. I'm imagining myself doing the exact same thing.
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« Reply #30 on: 01/27/16, 11:09 AM »

Also, from experience, I can say that it's way too soon to be talking seriously about healing.
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« Reply #31 on: 01/27/16, 11:44 AM »

Totally agreed. I know I'd feel pressured to chime in publicly if analysis were beginning regarding an accident in which I'd been involved. We can minimize that feeling for those involved.

With an accident in 2009, I didn't really understand the entire thing until after ~7-10 days of reflection. I wrote the story down in the Percocet haze, but waited to more than a month to speak out. (Afterward, Lowell's analysis was spot on.)

This accident is far more grave, and the impacts much greater.
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« Reply #32 on: 01/27/16, 07:19 PM »

This is tragic news to hear and very sobering as I ski in the same area frequently and given the whole circumstances of the event think I probably would have made the same decision as they did to traverse under widowmaker to get to the parking lot as quickly and easily as possible.

The image of widowmaker posted here likely shows where the avalanche started but one can't see the traverse they were most likely doing. It's steep and shitty but not nearly as steep as the spines of widowmaker you can see in the picture where the slide likely started. It all ends up in the bagley creek drainage which at that spot is a pretty major terrain trap.

I've done that traverse once before in locked up conditions. The only reason it's worth doing is because all other options that avoid going under widowmaker require at least 500 vert of additional skinning to get to the parking lot whereas that traverse puts you 100 vertical ft directly beneath the parking lot. In the case of an injury that warranted calling 911 I can certainly see myself choosing to go under widdowmaker in the conditions NWAC described for that day rather than adding an additional climb to get to medical attention.

Tragic situation. Condolences to those who knew the victim and are grieving.
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« Reply #33 on: 01/27/16, 07:40 PM »

Lowell, the basic name for the cascade of events that leads to a mishap is called the "swiss cheese" model.  It is not only an aviation reference.  The same analogy is also used in other professions like the medical field.  If you ever want to discuss let me know. 
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« Reply #34 on: 01/28/16, 10:53 AM »

NAS Whidbey posted to Facebook regarding this incident. This link appears to work for me while signed in to Facebook, but not when I'm not Sad.

https://www.facebook.com/NASWhidbeyIsland/posts/942835245787456
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« Reply #35 on: 01/28/16, 10:54 AM »

I was up there that day and saw the party ski by us in Corona Bowl.  To understand the reports it's important to know that most skiers local to Baker refer to the false summit as "Herman".  I suspect that a lot of them don't even realize that the true summit is across another bowl and up a ridge.  Skiers that are trying to look at a map and find the location based on the description seem to be confused.  The actual face that slid is lower down on the NE ridge that's coming off the false summit that is SE of the main summit. Here is a link that is centered on the slope.  Zoom out to orient yourself once you click the link.
https://goo.gl/maps/YpmpXEeAwE32

Lowell is spot on, there was more than one issue/mistake/failure in the process that occurred during their tour.  From what I was told on Sunday and what it says in the reports since then, they were dealing with an injury that might have distracted them from looking around and certainly hindered their travel.  From what I was told there was no way they were going to skin back up anything.  They also suffered from truly tragic timing as a glide avalanche is not very common and is very hard to predict timing with much certainty.  It's very different from a typical winter time slide.  That face has a history of similar slides but I don't think that would be very well known to most skiers in the area.

Alecapone, there is a more moderate ski line than is shown but there is no way to cross that slope without exposure to hazard.  Crossing that slope slowly increases the exposure to dangerous conditions.  It's not too different from crossing under a serac.

All of the early talk about a possible persistent weak layer was misguided.  My experience in the backcountry on Sunday matched the NWAC report pretty spot on.  We saw lots of very active but very isolated small pockets of wind slab.  Most were ~10' round patches between wind scoured rain crust and the moving snow wouldn't have caused any issues on it's own but had the potential to knock someone down on the boot supporting crust.  If you had found yourself sliding on the crust a recovery would have been difficult but that's not specifically an avalanche problem.  We had actually discussed baling the way they did if we found the crust to be impossible to pass on our way to go out the way the party came in to the bowl where we crossed paths.  That said, I feel like NWAC has been generally posting danger ratings one level lower than what they describe in their "Bottomline" description.
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Re: Avalanche kills person near Mount Baker ski area
« Reply #36 on: 01/28/16, 11:30 AM »

Craig Panthen composed himself to share the story of the events surrounding the avalanche that took his brother's, Mark Panthen's, life last Sunday. So many pieces of the story that made the news cycle missed what actually happened. Craig allows us the understanding of the sequence of events as they unfolded on the slopes of Mt Herman.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=122397578143417&id=100011195260119&fref=nf&pnref=story

If you have not already done so and feel so compelled, please consider helping Mark's and Amanda Peart's family through the Mark Panthen Memorial Fund: www.youcaring.com/markpanthenmemorialfund

Thank you.
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« Reply #37 on: 01/28/16, 12:51 PM »

Additional Info.  Amazing effort by local SAR resources.

NAS Whidbey Island SAR Facebook Post
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« Reply #38 on: 01/28/16, 12:52 PM »

Craig Panthen composed himself to share the story of the events surrounding the avalanche that took his brother's, Mark Panthen's, life last Sunday. So many pieces of the story that made the news cycle missed what actually happened. Craig allows us the understanding of the sequence of events as they unfolded on the slopes of Mt Herman.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=122397578143417&id=100011195260119&fref=nf&pnref=story

Thanks for posting this link. Such a difficult time.

The ice avalanche that hit them could not have been predicted well at all.

They were trying to self-rescue, and that is something I think we all regard as a virtue.

In addition to family and friends, I send my thoughts to the ski patrol and other rescuers whose efforts were stymied.
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« Reply #39 on: 01/28/16, 01:36 PM »

Yes, thanks for posting, and ditto to the rest of what Lowell wrote. And good luck with the memorial fund, as well as with getting on with your suddenly-changed lives.

I'll be interested to read the report that I assume will eventually be posted by NWAC - if anything I'm not more confused than ever by the various descriptions, as the run down from Herman Saddle and the Mazama Bowl access notch is nowhere near nor in view of the parking lot (at least the features we've always used those names for) or what folks here have described as the Widowmaker run. But there's no rush and clear and carefully compiled facts beat internet speculation.
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« Reply #40 on: 01/28/16, 02:03 PM »

I can't get onto FB from work so I don't know what the brother's account is but I was up there and saw them.

My best guess at their route that day:
Early start from the parking lot to Bagley Bowl and accessing Mazama Bowl somehow, probably the usual low point between Herman and Mazama Dome.
100% guess, too many other tracks to know which were theirs.
Skinned east out of Mazama Bowl to the high notch.
I believe this based on the fact that they had the only downhill tracks east of the high notch and we had the only skin track east of the high notch.  The party I was in had the only downhill tracks west of the high notch.  I saw a slightly snowed over skin track that was only a couple of hours old climbing from Mazama Bowl to the notch.  All of the other skiers in Mazama Bowl were farming turns in the north facing slope in the middle of the bowl.
Skied from the high notch to the moraine in Corona Bowl.
I know this because I watched them do it.  One of them caught some air on a wind lip near the moraine, maybe intentional, probably an accident in the flat light.  He fell and picked himself up while we were peeling skins on the false summit at ~1115.
They continued north east from there towards the entrance into the face that slid on them.  They were gone before we got to the moraine so we didn't talk at all but I watched them ski by.

We continued out through Mazama Bowl and Bagley Bowl (where we saw the Navy SAR heli) back to the parking lot.  I talked to MSAR and patrol, told them that I saw the party and when and asked them what was going on.

It shook us up pretty good since we had talked about retreating out the same way if we couldn't get to the saddle into Mazama Bowl.

My sincerest condolences to the family and friends.
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Re: Avalanche kills person near Mount Baker ski area
« Reply #41 on: 01/28/16, 03:37 PM »

I'm waiting to see the official, properly informed, analysis, but curiosity's hard to quash entirely.

I've barely skied the Baker BC, just ~six trips or so, but from photos people have posted, it sounds like the slide path is where I've labelled "Spot 2" on this map. I've refrained from using the path name because it seems too apropos at present.

http://caltopo.com/m/5M86

The edit password is "TAY"; do feel free to improve the map however you wish. To edit, click on the "Read-only" link, and it'll let you enter a password.

I've made a few updates to the link that includes where I was standing when I saw the two skiers, where I saw tracks, and where the wind lip was that I saw one of them fall.  The shading on WM and the start points are close enough for the conversation here.
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« Reply #42 on: 01/28/16, 05:48 PM »

Thanks Jason - that FB description spoke of skiing out from "Herman Saddle" , getting injured below, and making their way back from there, which is what confused me. Your description and sketch seems more consistent with what eyewitnesses in parking lot shared in terms of locations.
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« Reply #43 on: 01/28/16, 05:58 PM »

if anything I'm not more confused than ever by the various descriptions, as the run down from Herman Saddle and the Mazama Bowl access notch is nowhere near nor in view of the parking lot (at least the features we've always used those names for) or what folks here have described as the Widowmaker run.


I'm totally confused by this as well. Unless there's another "Herman saddle"? I await the NWAC report.

So sad for his family and especially his young kids.
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« Reply #44 on: 02/21/16, 08:38 PM »

The Canadian Avalanche Association Journal (I think in a 2012 or 2013 issue) has descriptions of the terrific prediction difficulty and massive destructive potential of glide slab avalanches from the director of the avalanche control program in Terrace, BC.  From an etiologic standpoint, glide slab seems to have relevance to this tragic accident though I certainly may be off the mark.
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« Reply #45 on: 02/22/16, 01:37 PM »

http://media.nwac.us.s3.amazonaws.com/media/filer_public/a6/28/a62889ca-0f64-4cce-8011-7c84283d0c91/mt_herman_fatality_1-24-16.pdf

Full Accident report. Injuries were not due to burial, but trauma. Both victims sustained head injuries. I am curious to know if either victim had helmets on during the incident.
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