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Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« on: 11/07/14, 05:54 PM »

Our private forecaster assured us there will be at least 7 in of powder waiting for us on Heliotrope. Instead we got ice and since we were crampon-less we barely made it halfway up the snowfield. Few smarter skiers showed up with crampons and we could hear them skiing from a mile away as we exited with tails between legs. Trail below, on and above Hog'sback is super slippery too. But at least it was sunny.

This could prove to be a very problematic layer soon.
Have fun and think crampons.
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Re: Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« Reply #1 on: 11/07/14, 08:40 PM »

we could hear them skiing from a mile away
funny!

This could prove to be a very problematic layer soon.

maybe...but with an indian summer around the corner maybe not
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Re: Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« Reply #2 on: 11/07/14, 08:47 PM »

Thanks for the beta.  Although I don't mind ice while skiing, hiking up icy conditions is not my thing.
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Re: Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« Reply #3 on: 11/08/14, 09:40 AM »

A message from the past






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Re: Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« Reply #4 on: 11/08/14, 09:44 AM »

cumulus, I hope so but I am not so optimistic.



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Re: Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« Reply #5 on: 11/08/14, 02:24 PM »

nice pics - - 8-14 day forecast
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Re: Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« Reply #6 on: 11/08/14, 02:50 PM »

I see, let's hope that will take care of the ice, fingers crossed.
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Re: Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« Reply #7 on: 11/08/14, 06:00 PM »

Runningcloud, thank you very much for the info. You are definitely right, and I'd add that I'd be quite concerned about what's happening beneath the ice ( in addition to the possibility of large direct action events during subsequent storms, as you note ).

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In 2003 there were numerous fatal avalanches in British Columbia that ran on an ice layer ( that later became crust/facet **** sandwich ) that formed early in the season. This includes the high-profile event at Tumbledown / La Traviata ( that killed Craig Kelly ) and the avalanche in Connaught Valley that killed 7 students. The Cascades might or might not have a widespread problem ( I can't say because I have no data ), but this is one of the most popular skiing spots.
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Re: Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« Reply #8 on: 11/09/14, 08:48 AM »

CookieMonster, 2003 was definitely a difficult year. From what I saw the ice is directly over ground or the old summer snow (on snowfields). It seems all the new October/November snow either washed out, melted or was transformed into the current top layer. This observation is for N aspect between 1600-2000m (5200-6500 ft).
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Re: Nov 7, 2014, Heliotrope ice skiing
« Reply #9 on: 11/11/14, 05:56 PM »

While the skiing was not that great the cold produced a bright clear day, perfect for taking pictures. The full slideshow is here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/runningclouds/sets/72157648776237027/
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