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LukerBee
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #125 on: 04/30/14, 11:11 AM »

So I toured Pilchuck with Dave yesterday – only on the ride home did I learn of his TAY celebrity stature. He shared the whole story with me. When I got home I read this thread.

Was posting the report chest beating / bragging? I do not think so. Dave is pretty modest low-key guy.

Were logistics poorly planned? As it relates to NPS access regulations, yes. The mountaineering part seemed pretty well thought through – but what do I know.

Wrong to cut the lock? He should not have done it. He knows it. I probably would have made that decision 20 years ago at that age. I think he learned from the experience.

Premeditated Offense: No. He carries a lot of gear in his rig.

Lock cutting penalty: I guess they let him off easy because he was truthful and introspective with NPS as he as with me.

Too dangerous? I am not qualified to answer that. Seems straight out crazy to me. As do many of the tours on here.

Was it skiing? I am on a splitboard. I tour to shred, not ice climb. So I guess I really don’t care.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #126 on: 04/30/14, 08:21 PM »

Interesting, he sent me a pm asking me to stop posting and said that the plan had been to cut the lock, hence the carrying of bolt cutters. The naivete of posters and people in general is astounding.

So I toured Pilchuck with Dave yesterday – only on the ride home did I learn of his TAY celebrity stature. He shared the whole story with me. When I got home I read this thread.

Was posting the report chest beating / bragging? I do not think so. Dave is pretty modest low-key guy.

Were logistics poorly planned? As it relates to NPS access regulations, yes. The mountaineering part seemed pretty well thought through – but what do I know.

Wrong to cut the lock? He should not have done it. He knows it. I probably would have made that decision 20 years ago at that age. I think he learned from the experience.

Premeditated Offense: No. He carries a lot of gear in his rig.

Lock cutting penalty: I guess they let him off easy because he was truthful and introspective with NPS as he as with me.

Too dangerous? I am not qualified to answer that. Seems straight out crazy to me. As do many of the tours on here.

Was it skiing? I am on a splitboard. I tour to shred, not ice climb. So I guess I really don’t care.

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LukerBee
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #127 on: 04/30/14, 08:48 PM »

You may be wright or you may be wrong   Cool
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #128 on: 04/30/14, 10:01 PM »

It is genuinely interesting to read the different responses between this forum and the identical post on CC.com.  Really shows that there are some cultural differences between those who climb to ski and those who climb to climb.
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BrianT
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #129 on: 05/01/14, 02:37 PM »

You may be wright or you may be wrong   Cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cih0btgJw8s
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ski2fly
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #130 on: 05/01/14, 05:59 PM »

Fair enough. But mountaineering, yes. Ski mountaineering (or ski alpinism), no.
Splitting hairs there. I will bet they enjoyed the whole thing. I suppose if you went on the same trip then you would have had 1/2 an adventure +/-.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #131 on: 05/02/14, 05:29 PM »

It is genuinely interesting to read the different responses between this forum and the identical post on CC.com.  Really shows that there are some cultural differences between those who climb to ski and those who climb to climb.
yea I read that after reading your post. Seems there was a lot of talk about rap systems and rope. Skiers be crazy though. I've seen photos of skiers descending slopes that climbers are roped up on. I know from some of my own exposed, ropeless, gripped ascents that as soon as I click into my skis, I feel better.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #132 on: 05/05/14, 07:45 AM »

The deep focus on the technical over at CC.com was part of it, but I also noted that the average response here was "respect authority" while over at CC.com the average response was more "screw the park".  That to me is an interesting cultural grouping that I would not have guessed existed before this thread/large-scale social experiment. Perhaps climbers (particularly older ones) are more used to breaking the rules to in order to access a line?
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BillK
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #133 on: 05/05/14, 08:37 AM »

^^^^Inherent differences between the sports? Rugged individualists?  Age differences?  Other demographic differences?
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avajane
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #134 on: 05/05/14, 09:35 AM »

From an old climber......Most climbers are skiers but most skiers are not climbers. I'm sure, in general, most climbers are less apt to be joiners and are not as likely to follow direction as well. The technical discussions about rap systems on cc was for the most part because the set ups in the pictures were not what they were used to - perhaps because they came from back east. People are people though, and there were plenty on cc who said "not cool".
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #135 on: 05/05/14, 10:25 AM »

Most climbers are skiers but most skiers are not climbers. ..... People are people though, and there were plenty on cc who said "not cool".

True on both counts.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #136 on: 05/05/14, 12:30 PM »

I also noted that the average response here was "respect authority" while over at CC.com the average response was more "screw the park".
another factor going on at TAY may be tribal. The new guy did not respect the efforts of those few here at TAY who have been challenging authority, on our behalf, concerning access rights to the park. 
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #137 on: 05/05/14, 01:40 PM »

Good point.  Not that he intentionally disrespected them, but his actions undermined their efforts.  I agree...
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #138 on: 05/05/14, 03:40 PM »

  Not that he intentionally disrespected them, but his actions undermined their efforts. 
 
yes. I agree.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #139 on: 05/25/14, 12:11 AM »

Better that I discovered this thread AFTER I lent them my pulk.  Looking forward to their next TR.

Godspeed gentleman.





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