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ski2fly
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #100 on: 04/25/14, 08:00 PM »

This is a story of a great adventure. Dave thanks for posting and including so many pictures. As for the lock, and though it might be a $5 lock I am guessing the Feds paid $150 for it. I don't see anywhere Dave actual says he cut it.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #101 on: 04/25/14, 08:13 PM »

ripping icy groomers at sugarbush is entirely different than skiing an icy, exposed, 5,000-foot line on a volcano.  Cheesy

In the OP's defense.. it's not that different
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #102 on: 04/25/14, 08:58 PM »

I have nothing glib or amusing to add--others have done so well.  Sky's, "Let your freak flag fly" comment had me nearly spitting beer out my nose.  And I put in my vote for Scotsman as being his best post ever.  Funny, clever and with that edge of sarcasm we have come to expect. 

My boring droll comment is to ask why a road that is open for sledding is locked for road access.  Why not let folks drive to the snow and unload?  I recently used sleds to do the Forbidden Traverse.  If not for a very large tree 1.5 miles from the Eldorado Gate recently fallen across the road, we would have saved four miles of road skinning.  (Before you start jumping on our actions,  we called the Park and were told we could use the sleds to that point.)  Interestingly, someone had used a snow mobile to drive to the summer parking lot and were able to open the gate on the hillside below the parking lot after the final bridge.  Must have been park employees.

Fantastic thread.  Highly enjoyable reading above the usual TAY fare.
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Alex L
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #103 on: 04/25/14, 09:01 PM »

Just to clear one thing up - we snowmobiled from the end of the plowed road at the White River Ranger Station, to the Glacier Basin Trailhead at the White River Campground (where the "No Snowmobiles" sign is).

Here's my gpx from the TH where we started skiing to Thumb Rock:  http://www.mappingsupport.com/p/gmap4.php?q=http://sites.google.com/site/acleone/gpx/2014-04-11_LR_TH_to_Thumb_Rock.gpx&ll=46.885500,-121.715739&z=13&t=t4

My two cents about the conditions: Skis made for fast and efficient travel all the way to the toe of Liberty Ridge and back.  Climbing conditions on the ridge were great, no wallowing, mostly styrofoam snow that took steps well.  No schrund shenanigans at all.  There was maybe 10 feet of 60-70 degree snow, the rest was 40-50 degrees, including all the ice pitches.

We planned to ski the Emmons if we didn't find good conditions.  Once we popped up onto the snowfield below Liberty Cap and out of the shelter of the headwall, there was a strong continuous wind from the East.  Just to get up to Liberty Cap we had to crawl a bit.  It would have been quite a battle to walk directly into the wind to get over to the saddle and down the Emmons.

Once we got back down out of the wind, Dave skied a section, found it to be pretty hard snow, so I downclimbed.  Once we got back to the top of the exposed glacier ice (see picture on page 1), we made a few raps over the ice to just above the Black Pyramid, and downclimbed on snow to just below the Black Pyramid.  None of the raps were vertical, just the same 40 degree ice that we climbed up.  The snow below the Black Pyramid was pretty hard, but certianly edgeable.  Dave skied it, I took a turn or two, and decided I liked downclimbing more, so switched back to crampons.  A few hundred feet below the snow softened up nicely so I eventually put skis back on.  I think there was another hard snow section were we switched and one last exposed ice band near the bottom that required a short rap.

I bet Dave could have skied continuously from below the Black Pyramid all the way out, and made the single short rap with skis on.  I wasn't as confident in my abilities so I probably caused us to transition to crampons a few more times than was necessary.  I bet a little later in the season when the snow is softer, and without the exposed glacier ice section above the Black Pyramid, it would have made for a much more aesthetic ski descent.
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T. Eastman
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #104 on: 04/25/14, 10:13 PM »

Alex, don't sweat it, ski-mountaineers struggle with identity issues.  Consider yourselves "Fun hogs" and be done with that.

The lock is a different deal and that is done...

Keep climbing smart and have fun.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #105 on: 04/25/14, 10:42 PM »

Just like Tabke said...better than TV...especially when babysitting on a Friday night.

LR skiing TR's over the last few years seem to fall into two camps - the mid-April/early-May attempts, and the late-June/early-July attempts.  The later attempts seem to find better conditions and have better luck with the skiing.  If you are too late,  this can happen:

http://mountrainierconditions.blogspot.com/2010/04/liberty-ridge-2010.html

Too early and you get gray patches of dirty ice in the path of your ascent/descent.  The amount of snow we get, and the type of snow we get throughout the winter surely matters too.  It may be as simple as earlier is better on low snow years, and later is better on high snow years.  Anyway, I'm suggesting that maybe the window for LR skiing is later than everyone seems to think.  Perhaps just past the prime climbing window, but before the lower ridge really falls apart.  This may only be a 2 to 4 week window somewhere between early-June and early-July.

This route is certainly a "test-piece" (great word for rock climbing, but I don't really like that word for skiing - too variable).  It is bound to see more frequent ski attempts, so a discussion of when to go is important.  I thought I'd throw this out there because I haven't seen it dealt with in this "far ranging" thread.

As far as the bolt cutting...I threw drano-bombs off the cornice at Loveland Pass in my early twenties to try to get the slope below to slide.  Stupid.  I wish I could sit down with that young lad now and talk some sense into him.  He wouldn't listen though.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #106 on: 04/26/14, 09:30 AM »

you mean the east doesn't have Bc skiing? No ice with exposure? My point is that you reach a comfort level with the conditions you are raised on. The Bc skiers that i know from the east make really bad snow, like ice and wind hammer,look easy to ski.

This is so true, Samthaman is said to actually hate powder and smooth corn, preferring wicked hard crust and boiler plate...
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #107 on: 04/26/14, 10:06 AM »

Now the Park Service is going to be looking for a PAIR of 'hoods' with ski masks and bolt cutters (Avajane and Dave..)--The new DYNAMIC DUO!
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #108 on: 04/26/14, 06:51 PM »

This is a story of a great adventure.

Fair enough. But mountaineering, yes. Ski mountaineering (or ski alpinism), no.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #109 on: 04/26/14, 06:53 PM »

Not fessing up to the bolt cutting off the bat was your biggest blunder. Had you just claimed you did it for the cause, hell, you'd go to jail for the cause, everyone would be cool with that. You'd might even pass Scottsman as TAY's #1 poster.

There is no good reason why the road isn't open to wherever the snow line is. The road is paved, so less risk of ruts like on dirt roads. And they could post a sign that says you have to display your Rainier Park pass, and make money by ticketing offenders. Rainier should tier their 410 opening schedule, rather than just wait for Chinook to open.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #110 on: 04/27/14, 11:42 PM »

Now the Park Service is going to be looking for a PAIR of 'hoods' with ski masks and bolt cutters (Avajane and Dave..)--The new DYNAMIC DUO!
Snuck into the backside of Stevens Pass but was by myself. The Nordic road had been groomed the day before! Will be skiing with Dave soon. Just couldn't meet up this time.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #111 on: 04/28/14, 04:38 PM »

Which one will be BATMAN and who (or is it whom?) will be Robin?  Both CAPE CRUSADERS I'm sure....
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #112 on: 04/28/14, 05:16 PM »

Don't know but you are surely the Joker Grin
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #113 on: 04/28/14, 05:33 PM »

OK--I'll stop...
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #114 on: 04/28/14, 07:59 PM »

Not fessing up to the bolt cutting off the bat was your biggest blunder.

Why is that? Seems rational to show reluctance.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #115 on: 04/28/14, 08:28 PM »

Why is that? Seems rational to show reluctance.
What if that was your plan all along?
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« Reply #116 on: 04/29/14, 12:10 PM »

What if? I guess I don't follow.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #117 on: 04/29/14, 05:06 PM »

Freak-flag on...haha.  I see Sky hasn't missed a beat with his sense of humor  Cool.  As for this thread, I must say, TAY still appears civil.  I can only imagine what a cross-thread of this would be like on cc.com, with full on profanity or drumrolls!

Or to quote the Urban Dictionary (Cross-threaded): When you are taking a crap, and it takes you a long time, and it feels as if a boulder is being squeezed from your a_ _. It hurts and feels like it's coming out sideways.

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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #118 on: 04/29/14, 07:52 PM »

No need to imagine, Dave thought of everything:  http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1123514/1
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #119 on: 04/30/14, 11:11 AM »

So I toured Pilchuck with Dave yesterday – only on the ride home did I learn of his TAY celebrity stature. He shared the whole story with me. When I got home I read this thread.

Was posting the report chest beating / bragging? I do not think so. Dave is pretty modest low-key guy.

Were logistics poorly planned? As it relates to NPS access regulations, yes. The mountaineering part seemed pretty well thought through – but what do I know.

Wrong to cut the lock? He should not have done it. He knows it. I probably would have made that decision 20 years ago at that age. I think he learned from the experience.

Premeditated Offense: No. He carries a lot of gear in his rig.

Lock cutting penalty: I guess they let him off easy because he was truthful and introspective with NPS as he as with me.

Too dangerous? I am not qualified to answer that. Seems straight out crazy to me. As do many of the tours on here.

Was it skiing? I am on a splitboard. I tour to shred, not ice climb. So I guess I really don’t care.
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« Reply #120 on: 04/30/14, 08:21 PM »

Interesting, he sent me a pm asking me to stop posting and said that the plan had been to cut the lock, hence the carrying of bolt cutters. The naivete of posters and people in general is astounding.

So I toured Pilchuck with Dave yesterday – only on the ride home did I learn of his TAY celebrity stature. He shared the whole story with me. When I got home I read this thread.

Was posting the report chest beating / bragging? I do not think so. Dave is pretty modest low-key guy.

Were logistics poorly planned? As it relates to NPS access regulations, yes. The mountaineering part seemed pretty well thought through – but what do I know.

Wrong to cut the lock? He should not have done it. He knows it. I probably would have made that decision 20 years ago at that age. I think he learned from the experience.

Premeditated Offense: No. He carries a lot of gear in his rig.

Lock cutting penalty: I guess they let him off easy because he was truthful and introspective with NPS as he as with me.

Too dangerous? I am not qualified to answer that. Seems straight out crazy to me. As do many of the tours on here.

Was it skiing? I am on a splitboard. I tour to shred, not ice climb. So I guess I really don’t care.

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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #121 on: 04/30/14, 08:48 PM »

You may be wright or you may be wrong   Cool
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« Reply #122 on: 04/30/14, 10:01 PM »

It is genuinely interesting to read the different responses between this forum and the identical post on CC.com.  Really shows that there are some cultural differences between those who climb to ski and those who climb to climb.
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #123 on: 05/01/14, 02:37 PM »

You may be wright or you may be wrong   Cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cih0btgJw8s
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Re: 11-14 April Liberty Ridge with Partial Ski Descent
« Reply #124 on: 05/01/14, 05:59 PM »

Fair enough. But mountaineering, yes. Ski mountaineering (or ski alpinism), no.
Splitting hairs there. I will bet they enjoyed the whole thing. I suppose if you went on the same trip then you would have had 1/2 an adventure +/-.
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