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OldHouseMan
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I think there is a great danger in trying to codify trip reports and how they should be presented and laid out. It stifles creativity. Everybody has their own idea as to how to present them and people have different views and preferences. Via la differance! Many people want everything laid out on a plate for them.....personally if a TR has piqued my interest but I need more information I will do the work and research necessary to find out where it is and how to get there...at the last resort I may even contact the poster and ask them direct. Research and figuring shit out is part of the fun. This thread makes me sad! 
Since you have entered the discusion, it was your Shames TR that got me to start this thread. While reading the TR, which was a good read and great photos by the way, I did not have a clue where this was. I quick search did reveal that it is in BC, but it would have been very simple to put the location in the title or in the body of the TR? I'm not trying to twist anybodies arm, and I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of this either, I just thought it would add to the TR if it was clearer in regard to the location.
Once again, I'll state, I'm not looking for a detailed step by step guide book type read, Just a general statement about the location. I simply read these TR's for the enjoyment and knowing what location inspired the TR adds to the read, IMO. And most are done very good.
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Since you have entered the discusion, it was your Shames TR that got me to start this thread. While reading the TR, which was a good read and great photos by the way, I did not have a clue where this was. I quick search did reveal that it is in BC, but it would have been very simple to put the location in the title or in the body of the TR? I'm not trying to twist anybodies arm, and I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of this either, I just thought it would add to the TR if it was clearer in regard to the location.
Once again, I'll state, I'm not looking for a detailed step by step guide book type read, Just a general statement about the location. I simply read these TR's for the enjoyment and knowing what location inspired the TR adds to the read, IMO. And most are done very good.
I suspected that and if you had checked the lift skiing section where I had already wrote two previous reports and explained where Shames was and made reference to it's proximity to Terrace, you would have know. To repeat it in the BC Tr page I felt was redundant although I understand that many of the BC purists on TAY could never hold their noses long enough to delve into the Lift Skiing section so perhaps I should have repeated the information for the purists. 
I posted in the Lift section first because we had primarily used the lifts to ski sidecountry those two days and alhough we had toured a lot...over 50% of the vertical...I was worried that if I posted those two days in the BC section....some fool would point out that we didn't "earn all our turns". I posted the third day in the BC section because although we used the t-bar twice.....over 80% of the vertical that day was earned and therefore I felt inclusion in the BC page was within acceptable TAY limits although I was rather hoping somebody would point out the fact that even that day we used lifts for access so I could then argue with them. 
However, back to your original question.....no I don't agree with you and think you are being lazy or the very least admitting that you can't google worth a toss. Just my 2 cents
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How hard would it be to add a snippet of code to the report submitting page that would be a single pin drop on google maps (terrain layer)? If it's not too difficult I could see that as being simple, value-added, voluntary, and intuitive. Just a little window where you could scroll around and drop your one pin. Then in the TR it would either auto-generate a static (jpg) of that map or just generate a link to the pin in a google maps window.
Aggregating a whole season into a worldwide pinboard would be a fun fall project too!
A searched a bit and mostly found mobile APIs but I'm sure if hillmap.com could be created from scratch by a member there has to be the resources out there. Speaking of hillmap having a static link in the submit page could promote usage of that more-detailed tool as well.
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I think we just have to be like Alecapone. Choose one location, and ski there the rest of the year. When he posts, you can wager your first born that he rode something off hiway 2. Makes things easier, reduce finger fatigue from having to do that extra research.
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Lets see........oh yes..... STOKE!
People post for many reasons .
E-gloating
To give Avy information
To share with others
To boast
To claim a first descent.
Etc,etc.
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.....It should be left to the author to decide.
Scotsman, I concur. Even though I agree with the OP reality is people are going to post the way they want. Stands to reason if one is not going to include location or be elusive about it then stoke, e-gloating and boasting seem to be acceptable and appropriate on the forum... and why not, this isn't a guide book forum. Maybe I'll rethink my own etiquette and post my secrete stashes for the stoke and fun of it
in the end it is useful to the reader if authors at least reveal the region... just a helpful request, if not ok fine.
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I think we just have to be like Alecapone. Choose one location, and ski there the rest of the year. When he posts, you can wager your first born that he rode something off hiway 2. Makes things easier, reduce finger fatigue from having to do that extra research.
Borinngggg...... just kidding John!
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Scotsman, I concur. Even though I agree with the OP reality is people are going to post the way they want. Stands to reason if one is not going to include location or be elusive about it then stoke, e-gloating and boasting seem to be acceptable and appropriate on the forum... and why not, this isn't a guide book forum. Maybe I'll rethink my own etiquette and post my secrete stashes for the stoke and fun of it
in the end it is useful to the reader if authors at least reveal the region... just a helpful request, if not ok fine.
You're flip-flopping more than Mitt Romney...make up yer mind!
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Since you have entered the discusion, it was your Shames TR that got me to start this thread. While reading the TR, which was a good read and great photos by the way, I did not have a clue where this was. I quick search did reveal that it is in BC, but it would have been very simple to put the location in the title or in the body of the TR? I'm not trying to twist anybodies arm, and I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of this either, I just thought it would add to the TR if it was clearer in regard to the location.
Once again, I'll state, I'm not looking for a detailed step by step guide book type read, Just a general statement about the location. I simply read these TR's for the enjoyment and knowing what location inspired the TR adds to the read, IMO. And most are done very good.
Here's what you get when you type" Shames skiing" in Google.
Shames Mountain
friendsofshames.ca/Friends of Shames is a non-profit group supporting Shames Mountain Ski Resort.
Snow Report
New Snowfall. 1cm. Base Depth. 318 cm @ Lodge. 491 cm ...
About My Mountain Co-op
MMC is Canada's first non-profit ski community co-operative ...
About Shames Mountain
Home to 1600 vertical feet of powder, Shames Mountain is ...
Ski Shames!
Friends of Shames is a non-profit group supporting Shames ...
More results from friendsofshames.ca »
Shames Mountain Ski Area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shames_Mountain_Ski_AreaShames Mountain Ski Area is a ski resort located 35 km (22 mi) west of the city of Terrace, British Columbia, Canada. The area's vertical drop is 488 m (1600') ...
RACE TIME: Shames Mountain Skier Cross, K1 Westerns, Prince ...
www.shamesmountainskiclub.ca/The Shames Mountain Ski Club is a non-profit society incorporated under the Societies Act of the Province of British Columbia. The Ski Club operates under the ...
Shames Mountain Backcountry skiing Terrace BC
backcountryskiingcanada.com/index.php?...Shames Mountain Backcountry skiing near Terrace BC offer many alpine tours to access legendary terrain and deep - steep powder routes.
Ski Report: Shames Mountain, British Columbia - The Weather ...
www.theweathernetwork.com/skifx/cabc0713 - CanadaGet the most updated ski and snowboarding related weather forecast and ski conditions for Shames Mountain, British Columbia.
Shames Mountain - SkiMap.org
skimap.org/SkiAreas/view/554 ski trail maps for Shames Mountain at Skimap.org.
Northern BC-Shames Mountain - YouTube
► 5:11► 5:11
www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6YfU91Y53A
Jan 22, 2010 - 5 min - Uploaded by RideGuideTV
Ride Guide hits up the deep at Shames Mountain near Terrace, BC.
Shames Mountain Pawder! - YouTube
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-aJAlLCmQQ
Dec 30, 2011 - 4 min - Uploaded by strikeanywherematchs
Yup Yup Yup! Shames had some nice amounts of snow recently so we decided to hit up the ol' backcountry ...
More videos for shames mountain »
Shames Mountain 6 Day Snow Forecast & Skiing Weather for 930 m
www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/ShamesMountain/6day/midShames Mountain 6 day snow forecast & skiing weather for the mid-mountain level in the ski resort of Shames Mountain, Canada - BC. Detailed ski resort ...
The Northern View - Deal for Shames Mountain sale reached
www.thenorthernview.com/news/128079438.htmlAug 19, 2011 – The group wanting to buy the Shames Mountain ski facility says it has reached a deal with current owner Shames Mountain Ski Corporation.
News for shames mountain
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Yeah! Go freedom, liberty, and creativity! And resourcefulness. All qualities that define the best of what backcountry skiing is about.
I get tired of hearing of another button for this, another app for that. Whatever happened to good old fashioned self reliance? To the glory of the human body, the human mind, and community.
And kudos to Ale for keeping his carbon footprint low! Hail regionalism! And globalism too!
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FWIW, I agree with most of what is said here about minimizing codifying and the stifling of creative writing. On the other hand, I know of at least four different Red Mountains...
Also, Google, and I guess other searching takes into account your IP address when suggesting relevant answers to your query.
Which brings me to my point.. One of the Consequences of Community is to Identify with, and to Speak to, individuals with whom you have a relationship (positive or negative). lee lau was right ~ this place is colloquial. Because of our affinities, as individuals, we speak to each other as members of a tribe, each of which presumably knowing of what is spoken. Tight and cozy, at times ~ hemmed in at others. How we are organized, what we say, and how we say it determines the reach of the Community. Nobody wants to be part of a pigeonholed data box experience ~ creative individualism reigns.. In that creativity, it is not unreasonable to consider an audience beyond our immediate brethren.
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Here's what you get when you type" Shames skiing" in Google. Shames Mountain
friendsofshames.ca/Friends of Shames is a non-profit group supporting Shames Mountain Ski Resort.
Snow Report
New Snowfall. 1cm. Base Depth. 318 cm @ Lodge. 491 cm ...
About My Mountain Co-op
MMC is Canada's first non-profit ski community co-operative ...
About Shames Mountain
Home to 1600 vertical feet of powder, Shames Mountain is ...
Ski Shames!
Friends of Shames is a non-profit group supporting Shames ...
More results from friendsofshames.ca »
Shames Mountain Ski Area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shames_Mountain_Ski_AreaShames Mountain Ski Area is a ski resort located 35 km (22 mi) west of the city of Terrace, British Columbia, Canada. The area's vertical drop is 488 m (1600') ...
RACE TIME: Shames Mountain Skier Cross, K1 Westerns, Prince ...
www.shamesmountainskiclub.ca/The Shames Mountain Ski Club is a non-profit society incorporated under the Societies Act of the Province of British Columbia. The Ski Club operates under the ...
Shames Mountain Backcountry skiing Terrace BC
backcountryskiingcanada.com/index.php?...Shames Mountain Backcountry skiing near Terrace BC offer many alpine tours to access legendary terrain and deep - steep powder routes.
Ski Report: Shames Mountain, British Columbia - The Weather ...
www.theweathernetwork.com/skifx/cabc0713 - CanadaGet the most updated ski and snowboarding related weather forecast and ski conditions for Shames Mountain, British Columbia.
Shames Mountain - SkiMap.org
skimap.org/SkiAreas/view/554 ski trail maps for Shames Mountain at Skimap.org.
Northern BC-Shames Mountain - YouTube
► 5:11► 5:11
www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6YfU91Y53A
Jan 22, 2010 - 5 min - Uploaded by RideGuideTV
Ride Guide hits up the deep at Shames Mountain near Terrace, BC.
Shames Mountain Pawder! - YouTube
► 3:40► 3:40
www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-aJAlLCmQQ
Dec 30, 2011 - 4 min - Uploaded by strikeanywherematchs
Yup Yup Yup! Shames had some nice amounts of snow recently so we decided to hit up the ol' backcountry ...
More videos for shames mountain »
Shames Mountain 6 Day Snow Forecast & Skiing Weather for 930 m
www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/ShamesMountain/6day/midShames Mountain 6 day snow forecast & skiing weather for the mid-mountain level in the ski resort of Shames Mountain, Canada - BC. Detailed ski resort ...
The Northern View - Deal for Shames Mountain sale reached
www.thenorthernview.com/news/128079438.htmlAug 19, 2011 – The group wanting to buy the Shames Mountain ski facility says it has reached a deal with current owner Shames Mountain Ski Corporation.
News for shames mountain
Sheesh, all this instead of putting Shames, B.C. in the trip report title 
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... want your own private skintrack? :-) better move to the yukon dude ....(B'ham Allen, 2011).
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Sheesh, all this instead of putting Shames, B.C. in the trip report title
The irony...imagine starting a thread about it and being one of the first to actually comment in it ::)haha....really!!!!
This is one of the saddest threads I've ever read on TAY.
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Ive got a little left over from my retirement check. How much does it cost for a argument around here?
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This is one of the saddest threads I've ever read on TAY.
And you being the greatest contributor... for shame 
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This is one of the saddest threads I've ever read on TAY.
I'd love to see your list of the saddest TAY threads.
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.....How much does it cost for a argument around here?
not much, apparently just ask for a simple request....
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lee lau was right ~ this place is colloquial.
I believe the exact quote was "very regional and parochial".
My solution is to have the three-volume set of Beckey's Cascade Alpine Guides within arm's reach of my keyboard. Works for most of the places I'm likely to go.
Carry on...
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This site requests: Month Day, Year, Location with the example: June 23, 2007, Mt. Rainier, Camp Muir corn; This shouldn't be too hard to do or violate the poster's sense of personal privacy. It is just common courtesy. IMHO.
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Seems like just honoring the request in the guidelines would solve the problem. To argue that including the general area where a TR occured would "stifle creativity" is pretty weak. If a TR author is so concerned that revealing the general location would be "spoon feeding" and would ruin the spirit of exploration, maybe the TR shouldn't be posted.
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I believe the exact quote was "very regional and parochial". My solution is to have the three-volume set of Beckey's Cascade Alpine Guides within arm's reach of my keyboard. Works for most of the places I'm likely to go. Carry on...
yes, thanks Lowell, I had forgotten the actual words, but had filed them in my mind as "local and straight-laced". Colloquial refers to something being local or regionally based, and just happens to sound like parochial, which also refers to local and narrow but is typically used in the pejorative these days.. I had wanted to avoid the 'straight-laced' part (drift), although it is a fair subject for another day.
But we are very regional-centric. And pretty much by design ~ not that there is anything wrong with that ~ although I for one would favor a somewhat larger playground. But love it or leave it, right?
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Most trip reports are a form of bragging...
... so you are on the webz and cool, give some general info for folks other than the chummy club.
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Maybe I'll rethink my own etiquette and post my secrete stashes for the stoke
Not sure I want to know where your secrete stashes are.
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lee lau was right ~ this place is colloquial.
Colloquial refers to something being local or regionally based, and just happens to sound like parochial, which also refers to local and narrow but is typically used in the pejorative these days.. I had wanted to avoid the 'straight-laced' part (drift), although it is a fair subject for another day.
Since our great CEO-TAY has already deemed this "one of the saddest threads ... ever ... on TAY", it seems like a grammatical/usage correction would only enhance that status further. So with apologies to everyone:
The word colloquial means "conversational", and only that -- it has absolutely nothing to do with "local" at all, even though it may sound faintly similar to "local". LeeLau was definitely not trying to say that TAY was "conversational" in his original comment.
The two words come from very different Latin root words, so they are entirely unrelated. "Colloquial" comes from the verb loqui, which means "to speak", while "local" comes from the noun locus which means a "place" or "site". Maybe taking 6 years of Latin (over 2 decades ago!) was good for something.
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OK, Amar, you are correct - which is why I said 'refers to', instead of 'means', or 'defined as'. Colloquialism is informal speech, and FWIW, from Wikipedia, "Colloquialisms are often used primarily within a limited geographical area..."
Only 2 years of Latin for me.. goes to show, eh? (colloq.)
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I am often grateful for reports that only give the general region and maybe aspect and rough elevation, but that give a decent sense of snow quality and stability. Boring, perhaps, but I like these reports nonetheless, so I provide some of my own reports in this vein in hopes I'm not alone in appreciating them. And maybe some fun photos for stoke. No trailhead, highway, drainage, or map pushpin required for me to continue reading. Sure, knowing which of the 83 Red Mountains is being referenced is a nice addition to a report, as is knowing where the "Zipper Couloir" is, but if I don't know, I don't care that much if the writing is interesting and/or the photos good. Not all TRs will satisfy everyone. And not everyone is contributing in order to create an online guidebook. One of the beauties of the site is how easy it is to use the "back" button when you realize a given report is not your cup of tea.
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I think we just have to be like Alecapone. Choose one location, and ski there the rest of the year. When he posts, you can wager your first born that he rode something off hiway 2. Makes things easier, reduce finger fatigue from having to do that extra research.
So says Mr. Icicle canyon.
I think from now on instead of reporting a trip, I am going to tell everyone about my day skiing. If I sound like I am bragging, sorry, maybe it was that good? wish you where there bro's...
did you get out today? Was it good?
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