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Topic: House Bill 5186 (Read 6764 times)
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BillyTheMountain
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Um, Boyne owns Crystal.
CNL owns the ski areas on Snoqualmie Pass.
CNL IS the parent company of Boyne.
There is ALWAYS a parent company.
However, NEITHER nor any of them OWN Crystal or Alpental, they have been entrusted to take care of OUR PUBLIC LAND. That was our first mistake.
Kindest regards,
BillyTheMountain
QUESTION: What does the symbol resemble on the bottom of the gondola at Crystal? HINT: Its not a snowflake.
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snoqpass
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"Crystal" is just a bunch o folks running a ski resort. The demons behind this incremental erosion of your civil rights is CNL REAL ESTATE TRUST, and they appear to me to be a ski area monopoly. They care less about you or Crystal.
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I believe that when they BOUGHT Crystal, the CONTRACT they signed to take over the lease includes the CURRENT REGULATIONS. What CNL is doing is buying up ski resorts and then SETTING OUT to change the terms of the GD contract! The corporation should/MUST follow the terms of the lease as it was when they acquired Crystal.
They are tricky, they are little piggies in cubicles in West Virgina scratching there way up the corporate ladder. They have NO INSIGHT into our good intentions and NW ski culture. They will incrementally destroy it so they can buy a new car for there daughter in Brandice University
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RFID will make it so they can EASILY mail you a ticket. You will not even be stopped up skiing, you will not even know what happened. They can install a tower sentry and just have a remote setting to change the sentry at will. Or they will be able to "see" you from a satellite and issue the ticket that way.
The ski patrol will have nothing to do with this is my guess. But they MAY use them at first. There is WAY to much DANGER to a ski patroller issuing a ticket. To much room for lawsuits and property destruction and getting beat up, tazered, or shot.
Each person has 3 to 8 RFID chips on them, skiers probably have more like 20 RFID devices on them NOW TODAY, they don't even need to chip you.
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They will soon have SECURITY PERSONEL on the ski slopes! The Ski Patrol will become rescue only. The security personnel will be contractors separate from the Ski Resort so that the ski resort will NOT be liable, in fact, nobody will be liable because they set it up that way. We have this scenario RIGHT NOW at Alpental and we have cameras and secret visitors invading our snow church.
There is so much more to say about this but I am tired of being attacked everytime I warn folks or mention this sh*t.
The Freedom Of The Hills is no more. Sorry Harvey, K2, Combs, Carl and all the other (deceased) ski pioneers. It appears that we are just a bunch of plastic corporate pundits and polluters that can't even take care of our own mountains. Pathetic.
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BillyTheMountain
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gravitymk
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CNL IS the parent company of Boyne.
There is ALWAYS a parent company.
However, NEITHER nor any of them OWN Crystal or Alpental, they have been entrusted to take care of OUR PUBLIC LAND. That was our first mistake.
Kindest regards,
BillyTheMountain
QUESTION: What does the symbol resemble on the bottom of the gondola at Crystal? HINT: Its not a snowflake.
Some times it's hard to believe the messenger, when the message is always crying that the sky is falling.
Regarding CNL being the parent company, prove it:
About CNL Income Properties Inc. CNL Income Properties Inc. is a real estate investment trust that owns a portfolio of 71 properties in the United States and Canada in the lifestyle and recreation sectors. Headquartered in Orlando, Fla., CNL Income Properties specializes in the acquisition of golf courses, ski resorts, marinas, campgrounds, merchandise marts, destination retail and entertainment centers and attractions. For more information, visit www.cnl.com. About Boyne USA Resorts Boyne USA Resorts is the owner/operator of geographically diverse four-season destination resorts and day-ski areas located near major metropolitan areas. The business has been overseen by the Kircher family since 1947 and is the largest family run four-season resort company in North America. The founder, Everett Kircher, is recognized within the ski community as a pioneer and visionary who possessed a deep passion for winter sports and the outdoors and in leading Boyne USA?s team, his children are carrying on this tradition. Along with operating Brighton, UT, Cypress Mountain, B.C. and Gatlinburg Sky Lift, TN, Boyne USA Resorts owns Big Sky Resort in Montana, Crystal Mountain in Washington, and Michigan?s premier active lifestyle resorts ? Boyne Mountain and Boyne Highlands and the distinguished lakeside destination - The Inn at Bay Harbor ? A Renaissance Golf Resort, including Bay Harbor Golf Club and Crooked Tree Golf Club. For more information, visit www.boyneusaresorts.com.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyne_Resorts
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"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"
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Randy Beaver
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always wear your tinfoil helmet in the BC.
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The mountain might get 'em, but the law never will
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trees4me
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always wear your tinfoil helmet in the BC.
It's part of the CAF issue gear. 
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chill people, skiing is fun
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blitz
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OH THE DRAMA!
This bill about CROWD control:
1. If you knock over a little kid and hurt him and ski away, they will report you to the sheriff - upto $1000 fine (GOOD ON EM!) .
2. If you are sunbathing or skinning in a blind spot and cause and accident - upto $1000 fine (COOL!).
2. If you ski down or skin up an area closed for avi control or grooming - upto $1000 fine (its not fair to the other skiers, DUGHH?!?!) .
4. If get injured skiing rockface or the waterfall or the Baker Cliffs and require a medevac - YOU ARE CAUGHT (otherwise, you just ski away and no one knows) - upto $1000 fine (that wont even cover your helicopter ride).
Crystal patrol is not going to follow you down Kempers to identify you, they dont have the manpower and they dont get paid for it. Sounds more like this takes them out of the loop for policing it. If they put up the signs, and you go there, it is your own fault for breaking the law.
AND if you dont like CROWDs or traffic jams or traffic rules or traffic officers, why not just ski the backcountry !?!?
Resorts will NEVER EVER close bullion basin, red mountain, snowqualamie slot, interglacier, blewet pass (the possibilities are endless)...
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Snowolf
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Exactly. Read the text of the proposed bill. There's no mention of snowboarders anywhere.
They use the term "ski" to be all inclusive meaning skiers and snowboarders. There are plenty of skiers who are morons and assholes too, it is not just snowboarders.
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Team Wally
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Here's a sign laying out one Utah county's take, spotted at SnowBasin 2-11
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Keeping the dream alive for Newbies and JONGs the world over.
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Plinko
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They use the term "ski" to be all inclusive meaning skiers and snowboarders. There are plenty of skiers who are morons and assholes too, it is not just snowboarders.
Snowwolf,
I'm not picking on snowboarders, (I'm a part-time 'boarder myself). I was stating the fact that the wording of the proposed bill is $h*tty and full of gaping holes. Laws need to be very precise and specific, with no "all inclusive meanings". So far, this proposed bill is severely lacking, and remains an unnecessary waste of time.
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Joedabaker
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I sent a letter to every state senator a couple weeks ago, along with a series of my objections. I looked at the legislative website and there seems to be no movement on the bill right now. Maybe it will get benched back to committee and delay it?
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If it's called common sense, why isn't it more common?
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Hyakbc
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It passed. 43 to 5 vote. Boo.
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snowrider253
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Since this bill applies to closed areas within the ski area's permit boundary, it doesn't apply to their BC gates. So not really a big deal to most TAYers since MOST of us would never ski into a permanent closure area such as Rock Face or Kemper's, or into an area that might be undergoing avy control such as Bear Pits when gates are closed.
However, I'd be in favor of all ski areas adopting the same BC gate policy as Mt. Baker: No beacon/shovel/probe/partner/knowledge? No exit or re-entry. And post some big, ominous signage too.
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Joedabaker
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The revision is a bunch of crap.
I wrote to every Senator and explained the need to bring this back to committee and revise the language. Even my very own Senator voted for it.
It smells to high heaven of political back scratching. I doubt that the majority of Yea voters really know the implications of this amendment. Just as long as they can get their pet projects passed down the road.
Pretty sad piece of legislation, so vague. It amazes me, the time and energy put into passing such crap legislation.
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If it's called common sense, why isn't it more common?
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RonL
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pretty sure sb5186 passed yesterday.
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