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Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« on: 09/03/10, 09:09 PM »

September: check.   

Joy-O-Meter: 5%    (~60 vert ft skied / ~1,200 vert ft hiked). 


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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #1 on: 09/04/10, 09:15 AM »

No doubt a little known talent you and the Kamster developed together, undercover.
Also saves the 2 hr drive and slightly longer hike to get to the Paradise patch.
One can never cease to marvel at the ingenuity of modern man when faced with today's challenges.
High Five.
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #2 on: 09/04/10, 10:31 AM »

Nice!
So, if you only ski uphill, do you get a total of negative v.f. and still count it for a month? 
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #3 on: 09/04/10, 10:38 AM »

Funny, Chris.  I walked with a friend up to Snow Lake at a rather plodding pace the other day, which meant I had lots of time to contemplate those tiny, filthy, crusted and cupped patches of remnant snow across the valley.  At one point I heard myself musing about some people I know who favor *skiing* such patches for the sheer joy of accumulating the lowest possible ratio of vertical footage to exertion.  It made perfect sense to me, but she expressed a bit of perplexity.  

Glad you're out there stretching the boundaries of what is possible, probable and, in this case, barely vaguely conceivable for the rest of us!

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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #4 on: 09/04/10, 11:18 AM »

This certainly soldifies and verifies the "freak" in your TAY moniker.

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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #5 on: 09/04/10, 02:35 PM »

That is so lame it's awesome.
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #6 on: 09/05/10, 07:57 AM »

That is so lame it's awesome.

...but no lamer than me claiming 300 ft of boot turns for August...   at least he schlepped more weight uphill..   
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #7 on: 09/06/10, 04:19 PM »

So, if you only ski uphill, do you get a total of negative v.f. and still count it for a month? 
For me uphill ski only wouldn't count as my definition for "turns" remains one turn left and one turn right (in downhill direction on skis), but for some that count uphill only as 'turns' it would seem possibe to have a 'negative' joy-0-meter (though 'negative joy' seems contradictory  Wink  ). 
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #8 on: 09/06/10, 04:22 PM »

Why not shoot for 50% JOM?  If would have only taken 20 laps.  I know, such a pain, putting the skins on, skinning up, taking them off ...
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #9 on: 09/07/10, 08:52 PM »

...boot turns for August....   
Huh   
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #10 on: 09/08/10, 10:23 AM »

how long did it take you to clear the rocks off?  I guess that's why you didn't look for a larger patch...?   Grin
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #11 on: 09/08/10, 12:52 PM »

Huh   

Mack, perplexed?  Or in total disagreement?   Grin    You know, i queried the tribe on this last month ~ more in fun than seriously.  A couple said yea, one said WTF, and you called it a slippery slope...  Frankly, I have to agree with all.  That said, I've also 'skiied' the Nisqually chutes on only my boots.  And sand dunes on real skis, and I have a plan to ski (on skis) a big dirt/grass hill (2500') this fall in E Wa area (BLM reclamation area - some issues surrounding erosion, and looking to do it 'above board'). 

So what is skiing?

For those who take the monthly streak (on real skis) seriously, I applaud and appreciate your effort and dedication.  What lit me up about TAYing was/is the understanding that it is indeed possible to do so in the PNW, but as some others here have recently expressed, there is more to many of our lives than living for the streak.  So, I (we) ski most months (missed July this year - and don't feel badly about it), and we now enjoy contemplating whether going skiing, in what used to be the 'off months', is what we'd rather do than something else.  The confession of a non-streaking streaker.

Boot turns?  Log 'em, or don't log 'em.   The great thing is you get to decide for yourself.  You pretty much can't do it in powder - wet corn on firm is best - get em when you can.

[edited to add] Remember how fun it was to slide down that patch just on your boots?  Not that easy, really, especially if you look to smoothly link turn after turn over a substantial run.  I've also made strap-on 'skis' of Delrin plastic, the length of my shoe, for those times when I've felt like approaching the speed of light...
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #12 on: 09/08/10, 10:23 PM »

     I was perplexed, or curious.  Clearly we TAYers have our own definitions and standards for skiing, for streaks, and for many other activities and values we have in our lives.  That is a good
thing (though we should minimize harm, respect others, blah blah).  Shaping and expressing our own selves is at the core of what appeals to me about being in the hills.
     My streak would be 2 years longer than it is if I hadn't blown off bad September turns for great fall rockclimbing.  It was the right choice, and so is my current unexceptional TAY streak.
     Dare ya to ride the N-Chutes with lunch trays strapped to your boots!  Some activites should never be in the Olympics....     Wink
     Oh, and to minimize the thread drift, why didn't Chris and partner hike the talus past the "big" patch to the V-shaped nano-patchlet at the base of the cliff in the last photo?  Would that have unacceptably increased the joy-o-meter?  And if they had boot-skied it instead of with planks, would it have been part of the calculation?  Inquiring minds want to know.    Grin
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #13 on: 09/09/10, 09:14 AM »

     ...
     Dare ya to ride the N-Chutes with lunch trays strapped to your boots!  Some activites should never be in the Olympics....     Wink   ...
   

If it's all the same with you, Mack, I'd rather see the St Pauli Girl, with her tray full of foaming beer steins, negotiate that terrain  ~  something along that line might actually make for a fun local event..
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #14 on: 09/09/10, 01:02 PM »

    Would that have unacceptably increased the joy-o-meter?
  yes. Wink

Actually, on the approach I thought the nano-patchlet might be the only option for snow turns in the area, until the larger patch emerged into view after topping the last crest.  The 20 turns down the larger patch felt like a lot for September  Grin  No rock removal necessary, just added several more gouges to the bases of my already trashed old AT skis.
Considered side-stepping up the steep nano-patch for a couple turns, but the higher consequence factor of possibly falling on jagged rocks below made the larger patch more appealing.  I wouldn't have included boot turns into the JOM, but that's just me.  Also not included in the JOM was the extra vertical feet hiked after the patch ski to scramble up a nearby summit [might have counted it though had I packed my skis up to the summit  Smiley  ] 
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #15 on: 09/09/10, 02:37 PM »

Also not included in the JOM was the extra vertical feet hiked after the patch ski to scramble up a nearby summit [might have counted it though had I packed my skis up to the summit  Smiley  ] 

That makes sense (as much as any TAY calculation can make sense).  Last weekend when Mack, Telemander, and I scrambled to the top of Coleman Pinnacle (no skis, obviously), Mack did not count that in the JOM number.
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #16 on: 09/09/10, 08:52 PM »

I was gonna ask if the little tongue at the top would go, and am happy to know you actually were headed for it. Worthy objective, getting out like that, IMHO.
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #17 on: 09/09/10, 09:06 PM »

Oh, that St. Pauli girl with her bulging bubbles!
If this micro-patch trend strengthens we'll have to carry skis, boots AND a bouldering mat.

Sorry about this one:

I've skied monthly for many good days
In sunshine and blizzards and haze
The girl from St. Pauli
Has followed my folly
And I love sliding on her snack trays!
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #18 on: 09/09/10, 09:31 PM »

I love it, but it raises an interesting question. This is pretty much the least amount of snow you could possibly ski to get your turns, but would it count if you got some turns on something other than snow? I was in Idaho this weekend and hiked up some pretty cool sand dunes and found myself wishing I had my skis. Do sand turns count?
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #19 on: 09/11/10, 08:56 AM »

Do sand turns count?

I'd say it counts, if you do it the right way  Wink You may have seen this before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKq2WGSrLc8

I bet you never need skins in Nambia!
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #20 on: 09/11/10, 09:23 PM »

Anyone know if this thing is still a semblance of it's former self? Is it on the way into Snow Lake? I may need to use it, as an expeditious way to get month 155 in...
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #21 on: 09/12/10, 01:15 AM »

I love it, but it raises an interesting question. This is pretty much the least amount of snow you could possibly ski to get your turns, but would it count if you got some turns on something other than snow? I was in Idaho this weekend and hiked up some pretty cool sand dunes and found myself wishing I had my skis. Do sand turns count?
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #22 on: 09/12/10, 08:08 PM »

Yup

Well, Mack, and friends, I've been to Namibia, and I've skiied sand dunes (not there), and while it's a blast, I think the criteria (for TAYing) has to include being on snow (otherwise skateboarding, land-luge, etc.  could count).  However, must it include strapping on or standing on something between you and the snow?  Really?  Is there a minimum size?  While we appreciate the effort to get turns, streak qualification isn't determined by the nature of the denominator of the JOM  (ie. the up).  Kind of hate to harp on it (well, not really), but I think that any controlled, gliding, descent, with changes of direction, on snow, is the minimum and absolute criteria.
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #23 on: 09/13/10, 10:19 PM »

This TR morphed into a RT, so thanks Kneel for starting a new clean thread.
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Re: Sept. 3, 2010, Snoqualmie Patch
« Reply #24 on: 09/14/10, 11:13 AM »

Agreed.  Thanks Mack - and Kneel.
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