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Why do tele/rando skiers boot up mountains?
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<br>That strikes me to be as intelligent as postholing through chest deep powder, trying to push bootpacking as much as humanly possible. Suit the tools to the task. <br><br>Jeff, I would like to humbly suggest that Hood above the lifts simply isn't steep enough for booting to be more efficient than skinning. <br>always try to push skinning as much as humanly possible
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<br><br>I agree, I think you're right. St Helens has about the same pitch though<br>Jeff, I would like to humbly suggest that Hood above the lifts simply isn't steep enough for booting to be more efficient than skinning. <br>
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<br><br>Obviously, I was exaggerating and when skinning becomes slower and more work, I boot. Booting can be faster, but I usually get more worked. Like I said it all depends on what you want and like to do. If the slope isn't too steep, it is just as fast for me to keep the skis on, even when icy. <br><br>That strikes me to be as intelligent as postholing through chest deep powder, trying to push bootpacking as much as humanly possible. Suit the tools to the task. <br><br>
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<br>I dunno, I think that several sections might be steeper. But I haven't been on Hood for a few years, so I know nothing.<br><br>Ned: of course, I was exaggerating, but it made my point nicely. Personal preference. But I still maintain the right to laugh at Dave and Amar when they skin up rock-hard late summer snow. ;D<br><br><br>I agree, I think you're right. St Helens has about the same pitch though
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<br><br>You're kidding, right? Why, hell, you haven't even worn out your mountain specific greek sneekers with the wings on the heels and the Ascension skin material on the soles that you climbed Adams with last year. You got a long ways to go, youngster <br>Yeh, you know Ron I've been thinking of buying me one of those geezer-specific backpacks, with the special velcro-ed sleeves for the cane and walker, and the metered medication dispenser built into the hydration tube. I just can't decide whether to drop the extra bucks on the anti-gravity option. What do you think?
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<br>This might have to do with something other than the relative efficiencies of skins vs boots, rather the relative efficiencies of the skinner vs hiker....I can't recall ever being passed on a long climb by someone on foot when I was on skins.<br>
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<br><br>Extending this idea, when I do take my skis off to boot, I will often put on crampons even if they're not strictly necessary. If I have to kick very hard to make a step, if figure I'm wasting energy and time. With crampons I just step rather than kick-step. This is especially helpful when climbing a weak crust. You're less likely to punch through the crust if you don't have to kick steps.<br><br>I like to zig-zag like a spider up the slope with crampons, an ice axe, and one ski pole. I rarely boot straight up a slope unless my path is restricted or I'm following a ribbon of good snow.I also feel that skinning is more efficient than booting in most snow conditions (but not all). Its like the difference between walking on pavement and walking on sand.
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<br>I too can't recall a time when I've been passed by someone who is booting. And I'm not that fast, at least compared to Lowell... <br>I also must agree with khyak, until a slope gets too steep or too icy, I find it far more efficient to skin...trying to slide my skis rather than picking up my feet. If I was wise enough to bring my harscheisen, then my tolerance for steeper skinning is greatly extended.<br>I can't recall ever being passed on a long climb by someone on foot when I was on skins.
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<br><br>Which by the way I'm told makes for perfect skiing conditions (or so my skier friends tell me while trying not to laugh...)that was ice/breakable crust
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