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Stugie
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Our pay-attention-to-detail minds and a newscaster's "tell the juice" mentality can be a straining process.
Joe, you did well and showed utmost respect to the families and friends. Your fellow bc brothers and sisters are proud of you for taking that on.
Go get some turns! 
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"The mountains are not stadiums where I satisfy my ambition to achieve, they are the cathedrals; the houses where I practice my religion." - Anatoli Boukreev
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James Wells
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... I guess I'm personally suprised that the sense of community we take for granted, or at least I feel, with other BC folks, is maybe not as evident in wider swaths of society?
There is a systematic phenomena at work. Where the crowds are fewer, and it takes effort to get there, the community is stronger.
When I lived in Tennessee, I would often go to the Obed on the spur of the moment (basically the moment that work was some semblance of done), expecting I would hook up with someone to climb with. The very best days for this were weekdays with marginal weather - I would run into one party and they would immediately invite me to climb with them, no matter who they were or where they were from. On a nice weather weekend day, hundreds of people would be at the exact same place, and it would take a dozen asks to find someone to trade leads.
The exact same snowy hillside served by a lift transforms in this manner, depending on whether or not the lifts are running. Beyond the lifts, it generally stays good, although the same crowd phenomena can occur out there as well.
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Heard the broadcast and just wanted to add another voice saying nice job Joe. You did very well.
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Thanks to all of you who have shared kind comments and supported me.
I was very nervous as you probably could tell in my voice, also a little concerned that the questions could float to something more uncomfortable.
I am comfortable to say that my emotions were up and down and I was not quite sure if I would be able to hold it together to explain the story.
I was checking my emails, reading Russ and Marcus online support in the waiting room and Justin PM'ed me right before I was to go on the show, your show of support helped me get it together enough to see it through.
I talked to Scotsman right afterward and it comforted me to know the public did not have to suffer long.
I was so focused to not say anything to offend the families and friends feelings and try to focus on the truth of the recovery including the efforts of the volunteers.
Only a couple items on my list that I brought in were spoken.
Don caught me a little off guard when he had the article from the Stranger and went into my personal experience with the missing snowboarders. Nice research by them.
And from there...time was to short to really get the experience out.
Never in my wildest dreams had I expected when I got up that morning 11 hours later I would be sitting 2 feet away from Captain Keith from the "The Most Dangerous Catch" on the Ron and Don show.
Captain was really cool as he is/was a backcountry skier in Alaska, so he could relate to the experience.
Once again a special thanks to the Crystal Mountain ski patrol, they did their share of work in the effort and were not in the PI article, but should have been included.
Once again-All of you thanks for the kind words and encouragement before and after the show!
Joe
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If it's called common sense, why isn't it more common?
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LeeL
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Some disturbing comments in the Seattle PI article from former SAR members. Interesting in their perception of the unacceptable risk that anyone skiing in the backcountry take.
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Some disturbing comments in the Seattle PI article from former SAR members. Interesting in their perception of the unacceptable risk that anyone skiing in the backcountry take.
Lee,
I'm puzzled about which Seattle PI article you're referring to. I think the one that is the subject of this thread is here:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/368128_snowboarders24.html
I just looked at it again and I didn't find any comments from SAR members. Were you referring to a different article?
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Marcus
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I thought the same thing, but I think Lee's looking at the reader comments that have been added to the bottom, some of which are pretty inflammatory and/or jaded with respect to taxpayer funded SAR efforts.
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Randy Beaver
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there have been some pretty asinine comments on all the local media outlets (Seattle PI, Stranger). Chalk it up to internet a$$holdom......another reminder why TAY is really a stellar place!
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The mountain might get 'em, but the law never will
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cascadesfreak
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Joe- Well said on the interview!
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Tophervw
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Just listened to the interview....
You are a strong Man Joe, thanks for representing the group.
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"Animal played the drums better then any other Muppet....How's That for Communism?
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Lowell_Skoog
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I thought the same thing, but I think Lee's looking at the reader comments that have been added to the bottom, some of which are pretty inflammatory and/or jaded with respect to taxpayer funded SAR efforts.
Okay, got it.
I added one more comment "In memory of Ome Daiber."
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LeeL
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Lowell - I should have been more clear. Its the readers comments I was referring to. I shrug those comments off. If you think about it; people who don't backcountry ski might think that anyone who ventures out of bounds is borderline suicidal/nuts. I exaggerate but you get the idea.
Heck even people who backcountry ski think that some of the stuff I do (just using myself as an example as its not fair to point fingers at anyone else) as nuts. So who am I to judge someone else's risk tolerance - even if i think their opinion is based on ignorance or chicken-shittedness.
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The best repsonse in my opinion is to ignore " the nattering nabobs of negativity" to steal a phrase. There will always be assholes in this world and others that will choose to misunderstand what we do. That is why as a communtiy of backcountry skiers we must look after and care for oursleves and educate where we can.
Joe and I who where partly caught up in the initial media buzz where very aware of how it could offer an avenue for these seekers of controvesy, that is why I asked the inital thread to be locked so it could not be sullied with any negative postings and why Joe was very clear to the producers that if it turned negative, he was off.
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Randy Beaver
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Lowell-
Interesting reference to Ome Daiber....I wasn't aware of him until I googled the name, sounds like a interesting man and a apt reference.
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The best repsonse in my opinion is to ignore " the nattering nabobs of negativity" to steal a phrase. There will always be assholes in this world and others that will choose to misunderstand what we do. That is why as a communtiy of backcountry skiers we must look after and care for oursleves and educate where we can.
Joe and I who where partly caught up in the initial media buzz where very aware of how it could offer an avenue for these seekers of controvesy, that is why I asked the inital thread to be locked so it could not be sullied with any negative postings and why Joe was very clear to the producers that if it turned negative, he was off.
I hadn't realized your intentions in asking for the thread lock... I approved of it then, as an "in memoriam", but I approve even more heartily now. You guys did a great job handling the (surprise) publicity.
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Sidnie and I have been taking a home remodel break from skiing this spring and the angst has kept us from checking the TAY site for some time. But now, whew, what a great story. Makes me proud to ever have posted anything and count myself a part of this scene. I got a similar taste of the sense of bonding within the backcountry skiing community when my friend Randy Kraxberger was missing on Hurricane Hill this past January. Thankfully, that turned out well, but the I experienced the same
sense of community among folks I knew and ski with and strangers alike.
Well done all.
Michael
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Joedabaker
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" the nattering nabobs of negativity"
Scottish tongue twisters? Oh yeah Spiro Agnew.
I can't wait to hear that in person with the Scottish accent.
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If it's called common sense, why isn't it more common?
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sheispiste
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I can't wait to hear that in person with the Scottish accent.
Likewise!
and speaking of voices, hats off to you, again Joe! thank you for your good work and words.
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any day in the mountains is a good day in the mountains
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Well done all. I saw the P-I that and bought it straight off, only to realize I'd bought Scotsman's photo. 
The whole story has been a big flag for me. I haven't followed everyone's post, but one overall impression I've had is that the general public is usually confused whenever someone takes the road less traveled. Modern industrial life has given us many sweet treats, but these things often make people alienated, materialistic and unhealthy. I feel fortunate that when I go to work or run errands I get to wear my secret smile that says, "I did something badass yesterday!". Work, family and friends are very fulfilling, but some of us get to do activities that take us amazing places, put us into contact with a variety of excellent people, and fill our lives with goals, accomplishments and lessons.
I've read that the essence of happiness in the human condition is when one has positive interdependence with others while achieving one's potential. Sounds like a fine reason to head off into the sky, and then come home. And when someone does not make it back, at least they went.
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« Last Edit: 06/29/08, 08:25 AM by telemack »
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There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
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I've read that the essence of happiness in the human condition is when one has positive interdependence with others while achieving one's potential. Sounds like a fine reason to head off into the sky, and then come home. And when someone does not make it back, at least they went.
Agreed.
From Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi:
p. 41: Complexity and the Growth of the Self
Following a flow experience, the organization of the self is more complex than it had been before. It is by becoming increasingly complex that the self might be said to grow. Complexity is the result of two broad psychological processes: differentiation and integration. Differentiation implies a movement toward uniqueness, toward separating oneself from others. Integration refers to its opposite: a union with other people, with ideas and entities beyond the self. A complex self is one that succeeds in combining these opposite tendencies.
Putting it more simply:
"After all, mountaineering is a means to personal growth."
---John Roskelley
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Here is a picture of Devlin at a messenger race I helped organize in 1999, and I must have known him for a couple years by then. I shared two amazing communities with him, Messenger and backcountry; both of them mis-understood by outsiders and too often defined by stereotype. Cheers and respect to everyone that has participated, in thought or action, to the respectful memory of our fallen brothers.
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Thanks for the picture StevieD. The messenger community sounds like our backcountry community, close-knit and caring. Thanks for your comments.
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This is Devlin's mother Was just wondering if any of you mind if I keep in touch with you all as one son was taken, but I have many new friends and sons in my heart. I want to keep an eye on all you are doing and enjoy it for myself and my son through you. Please let me know if this is not what you all want as I don't want to cause any problems.
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Of course, we are honored to have you!
-Bill
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This is Devlin's mother Was just wondering if any of you mind if I keep in touch with you all as one son was taken, but I have many new friends and sons in my heart. I want to keep an eye on all you are doing and enjoy it for myself and my son through you. Please let me know if this is not what you all want as I don't want to cause any problems.
Without a doubt, loggerdogger. Welcome to the family.
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