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I thought we are all supposed to be deleting our Facebooks, not our TAY forum accounts ???

I thought we are all supposed to be deleting our Facebooks, not our TAY forum accounts ???

If enough people do that (and if this POS forum software ever gets updated... which I'm happy to volunteer to help), maybe TAY will be about sharing trip reports and stoke rather than diatribes about whomever's personal issue again!

P.S. I know people are working behind the scenes to update. Not trying to ruffle any feathers, I just think the archaic interface and difficulty of uploading photos is what makes people gravitate towards the TAY FB page, or Instagram, or whatever.

This is a nuanced topic, but I'd like to express support for a temporary block of freeski's account and disapproval of the removal of anyone's entire post history. Freeski has made positive contributions, but numerous recent posts were detrimental to the valuable and long-standing tenor of TAY.

TAY is important as an archive, as it will serve in decades to come as a historical record of backcountry skiing in the Cascades for both skiers and advocacy. It's important that useful conversations retain their continuity. (For clarity -- in my opinon, it is okay to nuke posts that have gotten out of hand, but not those that make meaningful contributions.) I'm happy to help to the extent that I can in recovering freeski's posts.

To be clear: all I'm saying is that respect goes both ways.  As administrators/moderators you're just as intrinsically involved in setting the tone as we all are.
When you remove all of somebody's posts, or invasively edit somebody's post, it doesn't seem like there is much consideration given for courtesy or the golden rule.  As ski_photomatt correctly pointed out, it doesn't exactly foster trust either.  And as flowing alpy pointed out, there are certainly more respectful solutions--a time out for example.

Respect begets respect. Pretty simple--but occasionally complicated too.



btw: really happy nobody has edited the (mispelled?) title: helli ski -- appropriate, eh? 

imo that guy was as close to verbal/mental cancer as i have seen, and on the topic of Mt. St. Helens Institute I have almost been that guy for almost 10 years. Been on enough forums of all variety, the way he wrote, quoted, debated, was among the worst. I was so irritated i made a parody account (changed my name) to heli-free north cascades tay-free username to troll him and admins quickly removed it.

good riddance. dgaf about his history being deleted.

might be a great person to hang with skis on the snow, no doubt, but here was pure garbage, it was like fox news echo chamber, unless you agreed with him, you were in conspiracy against!

...on the topic of Mt. St. Helens Institute I have almost been that guy for almost 10 years...

As a XC-only skier with little "stoke" to offer, I have probably "almost been that guy" on the subject of the highly overrated management of the National Park Service.   TAY has the right to ban anyone they choose, as long as necessary, but deleting all their posts seems pretty extreme to me.

To be clear: all I'm saying is that respect goes both ways.  As administrators/moderators you're just as intrinsically involved in setting the tone as we all are.
When you remove all of somebody's posts, or invasively edit somebody's post, it doesn't seem like there is much consideration given for courtesy or the golden rule.  As ski_photomatt correctly pointed out, it doesn't exactly foster trust either.  And as flowing alpy pointed out, there are certainly more respectful solutions--a time out for example.

Respect begets respect. Pretty simple--but occasionally complicated too.



btw: really happy nobody has edited the (mispelled?) title: helli ski -- appropriate, eh? 

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The volume of non skiing posts on TAY seems inversely related to current snow quality. Meanwhile here at Jackson skiing was very wet yesterday and superb 14" fresh this morning. Sunny and challenging this afternoon. I'm thankful for all my TAY friends who've shared so many fine stashes with me, including Chris (freeski.)

I'll try adding some more detail than I did i my last post. Marcus messaged me privately about HFNC / Freeski on March 8th. I asked him about deleting topics and posts as a simple question and he just went ahead and did it point blank. I realize that Marcus should not have been involved in the first place, but it seems that NWAC members reached out to him rather than Micah or myself. This is not putting blame on Marcus, Freeski should have just been banned temporarily or permanently. Many of his posts contain valuable discussions, even if sometimes extremely controversial.

And several could potentially put your "community's" site in legal jeopardy

My take on FreeSki's posts is there was a bit useful information, but it was small compared to the add on rantings and "I'm being supressed" tone.  IMHO the breaking point is when he started derailing various other threads hammering again and again about his issues.

You can find bits and pieces of his posts where others quoted him.

His posts on NWAC under the handle "Vague observations for money" were another example of taking things beyond where they could be a useful contribution.

Perhaps he was unable to gain insight from this classic


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And several could potentially put your "community's" site in legal jeopardy

How?

Libel? Defamation?  Not sure of the correct term but I think there is a potential risk to the website.  Any lawyer's care to comment?

Libel? Defamation?  Not sure of the correct term but I think there is a potential risk to the website.  Any lawyer's care to comment?

IANAL, but:
- Libel is written defamation . Slander is verbal defamation.
- Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act provides immunity for internet services (such as Facebook) from defamation claims based on content generated by their users. Unless freeski was the owner (or possibly a mod / agent of the owner), TAY is immune from a defamation lawsuit. TAY certainly isn't obliged to remove potentially libelous content preemptively, and I'm not even sure they're obliged to do so upon request.

there has been some pretty heinous shit posted at the mothership,
stuff that made the drivel that 'helli' posted seem more like a blog.
TAY ain't gonna get sued cuz a guy wants his bc to his self imo
i'm at best a canine dentist, i'll leave the lawyering to geezer steve